July 20, 2010

A Short Discussion Regarding the History of Aaron Joaquin’s Baptisms.

LLDM holds this day as a very holy day because of Aaron’s vision in 1943 of the Lord Jesus Christ instructing Aaron to baptize himself (auto-baptism) in order to declare himself the “new apostle of God” and to establish a “new beginning” for the church that he had already established performing the act of auto-baptism on July 18, 1943. This is in light of the fact that Aaron had already been baptized 5 years earlier in 1938 by Brother Figueroa. But by 1943 Aaron came to believe that his 1938 baptism was not good enough because it did not establish him as equal to Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

I say equal to Christ Jesus because as recorded in the official LLDM history book (English) of the “Life and Work of Apostle Aaron Joaquin” on page 146 and I quote –

“Then, amidst the light, he saw the image of Jesus baptizing himself in the Jordan River.”

This is a false statement to support what Aaron believed to be his new founded authority to be the new “messenger, representative, ambassador, liaison, and union between God and his church” (page 148 of the same book).

THE FACT of the matter is that the Lord Jesus Christ did not atuo-baptize himself. He was baptized by John the Baptist. The Lord Jesus did this for the express purpose to show to mankind that He, God in the Flesh, was not here to rule but to serve mankind as a servant, to be the true perfect sacrifice for our sins, and to be the only true messenger, representative, ambassador, liaison, and union between God and His church.

(Matt 3:13) – “Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.”

(Mark 1:9) – “At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.”

The history and time-line for the baptisms of Aaron does not stop with his baptism in 1938. Even thought it is recorded on (pages 119 – 121) of how in 1938 Aaron decided that it was time for him to go back to Monterrey to talk with Saulo and Silas, “parallel authorities who held all the power of the gospel in that region.” Here LLDM historians are recording that Saulo and Silas are equal to Aaron.

During Aaron’s time in Monterrey he was talking of the doctrine of “In the name of Jesus Christ” only for baptism and that the “Trinitarian” doctrine of “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” was false. While speaking this doctrine Aaron was confronted by Maria Luisa. She proceeded to inform Aaron that he was baptized himself in the name of “the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”.

On (page 121) it is recorded that, “Brother Aaron was speechless due to the surprise. He held his breath. Submerged in his conscience, he searched for the fleeting space of the act when he was baptized. He could not find it. He only remembered the emotion of the moment.”

Maria Luisa told Aaron to go and talk with Silas himself which Aaron did and Silas confirmed to Aaron that he had been baptized “in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, this is to say, in the trinity.”

On Sunday after the pastor read of this history he neglected to read another passage from the history book found on (page 18) regarding Aarons history of baptisms which I will present here –

Before I cite this section of history let me preface it with this; Aaron had been trying to legally get out of his military obligations with out success and decided that it was best for him to just leave “and to temporarily hide in a church.” Just so you understand this is called “Desertion” and even in today’s modern US Army is punishable by death.

“This determination made it necessary for him to leave Torreon as quickly as possible and to temporarily hide in a church. As an alternative, the brothers proposed for him to go to Tampico where Brother Catarino Ramos, known as Barnabas, was staying accompanied by the missionary Jose Stewart, or to go to Monterrey where Brothers Saulo and Silas lived. These men (Saulo and Silas) were viewed by the brothers as the most holy. His (Aaron) choice was not difficult, feeling a natural liking for Brother Silas, who had baptized them, (Aaron and his wife Elisa) they decided to go to Monterrey. They gave away their furniture and other belongings they could not take.”

So in summary regarding Aaron’s baptisms:

1. First baptism in the “Triune” name of God, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit performed by Silas (1925).
2. Second baptism “In the name of Jesus Christ” alone performed by Brother Figueroa. (1938)
3. Lastly baptized again “In the name of Jesus Christ” but performed by himself. (1943)


Question: Why did Brother Eusebio (Aaron) go through all of this since he had already received from God the one true Holy Spirit as recorded in the history book with its own chapter on (pages 16 – 18) titled “HE RECEIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT”. What is even more amazing is in this same chapter it is recorded that his wife Sister Elisa had already received the Holy Spirit because of her faith in the Lord Jesus.



Eusebio (Aaron) speaking – ““Lord, if the feelings of faith that my wife has are from you, I want to feel the same.” There was a precedent for this. Sister Elisa had already received the Holy Spirit, but he did not know this, nor did he understand these manifestations.” (Page 16).

Shortly afterwards it is recorded that Eusebio (Aaron) began speaking in tongues while he was praying, “he immediately told his wife about this fascinating experience. Since she was cognizant of the same emotions, she said with Joy: “God is with us.” (Page 16)

And again a little later, “This even happened several times, and on one of those days, Brother Leandro Garcia, pastor of the church in Matomoros de La Laguna, Coachuila, passed near that place of refuge. He heard someone praying and speaking in tongues. He approached and recognized Brother Eusebio (Aaron). Once this event had concluded, Brother Leandro remained with him a long while and thoroughly explained to him that those manifestations signified the presence of the Holy Spirit and that he had received it like the first Christians had. Later Brother Leandro gave public testimony before the whole church of Torreon that Brother Aaron (Eusebio) had received the promise of the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues.” (Page 17)

Now what I find interesting is that during this chapter, and all other chapters that follow to the end of this history book, never is it declared that Brother Eusebio (Aaron) received a false holy spirit in 1925 and that it was not until his self-baptism in 1943 did he receive the one true Holy Spirit. It has always been acknowledged that Aaron received the one true Holy Spirit in 1925.

So my question is this – Just before Aaron received his first baptism by Silas in 1925 he received the Holy Spirit. Why then did Aaron, the future Apostle of God, not understand that everything that he had read in the Bible was wrong regarding being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit?

It is now clear as to why the statement “Then, amidst the light, he saw the image of Jesus baptizing himself in the Jordan River” was made by Aaron. He believed himself to be the new Christ, the new Messiah and the new Savior of the world. And as of 1943 he was now the only one on earth who could grant forgiveness of sins. It made perfect sense to himself and his followers that he must auto-baptize himself and forgive himself of his sins first and then begin to be the means by which all others are forgiven their sins.

One problem with that train of belief is that the Lord Jesus Christ was not born of sin and did not need to forgive himself of sin and therefore he did not need to have his sins washed away in baptism because he had no sin! Just as I mentioned in the beginning Jesus did this to show to mankind of how much He loves us and humbled himself before us to save us! AMEN!

This first act of glorification is the beginning point where all of the other doctrines of LLDM can trace their origins from. In order for Aaron to explain how he can be the only Savior for forgiveness of sins he had to first remove Christ from His place of righteousness as was clearly expressed 56 years later declaring “Jesus was just another great man who lived here on earth but is now no more” to quote from the 2009 LA Kodak Theater production praising and glorifying the now currently believed Savior of the world, Samuel Joaquin Flores.

Food for thought: If 1943 was the new starting point for the forgiveness of sins through Aaron Joaquin and he was the origin for all to receive forgiveness of sins through him, and his disciples (pastors) to include his son Samuel Flores then would it not be possible for anyone who is forgiven of their sins and baptized under the authority of LLDM to become an apostle of God?

Or did Samuel Flores also auto-baptize himself and forgive himself of his sins in the same way as his father did?

54 comments:

  1. chris---Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.”
    let it so be now----- the reason why john baptized jesus is because jesus was here for a reason.. But do you ignore " let it be so now" thats saying its just for now. Why --- jesus was of higher authority of john---just like jesus last apostol-- he baptized him self because there wasent no one else of higher authority. he baptized him self glorifing jesus name. god , is equal in authoruty to his apostols, and god told the brother aron to do it that way.. think about this part-- thats why he saw this vision--that you have sgtated in you home page of this site

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  2. chris do u still revise your comments

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  3. Dear Anonymous,

    God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, is the only Authority unto salvation. The original and only true Apostolic Apostles were given the authority to preach the gospel that Jesus full filled on the cross the gospel of good new of salvation in his name. (Acts 4:12). The vision that Aaron had was not from God (Jesus the Christ) because "Apostolic Authority" is not the key to salvation for man-kind as personal one-to-one relationship with Jesus is, and we do not need of anyone else but Him in order to have direct communication with the Father in Heaven. (Hebrews 1).

    Your statement - "god , is equal in authoruty to his apostols..." Is not what salvation is all about for God - Jesus Christ - is the only authority for salvation and He did not, and has not ever; given that authority to anyone other than to Himself.

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  4. here goes the text in wher jesus gives authority to his apostols,john 17; except adoring the apostols and only god.
    chris how do you take the holy supper. and are you baptized.

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  5. Dear Anonymous,

    John 17 is the Lord Jesus praying for one himself to the Father and the Holy Spirit, second to his disciples and third for all future believers in his message, the gospel of good new of salvation. No where in the Lords prayer does it give unto the disciples, future apostles, the same power and authority of God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). The Lord Jesus to pray that the Father will protect them from the evil one (Satan) while they are going out into the world to spread the Lord’s message of grace and salvation through his name, and yes the Lord Jesus does state that they will be one with the Father just as Jesus is one with the Father, but Jesus also makes the same statement when he is praying for all future believers (John 17:20-21).

    Once the original disciples became apostles not because they were special for none of them were special or privileged they became apostles because they were the first to go out to the world and bring the message of truth of salvation through Jesus Christ’s name (Acts 4:12) and once that message was accepted by those who heard the truth they to became one with the Father. In the end very one is equal in the eyes of the Father and is one through the blood of Jesus Christ.

    To answer your question if I have been baptized the answer is yes. I was baptized in the church of LLDM in 2007. After being baptized I started to actually read the Bible for myself and not just rely on what I was being told to read of a few verses of Scriptures here and there. I started to not be comfortable with being told that I could not understand the Bible by myself and to only have faith in what I was being taught by LLDM.

    By the time the 2008 Holy Supper came to San Bernardino I had a lot of questions that just were not getting answered as to why and how of the doctrines of LLDM. By the end of the Holy Supper the truth of the doctrines of Election, End-of-Days, Apostolic Authority, Apostolic Government, ect were made whole to me by way of the Lord’s Holy Word that these doctrines are false truths and not from the word of God the Father, the Holy Spirit or from the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

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  6. 17:22--says the glory that you have gave me i have gave them.(that is not the correct verse but it is in john 17:22) this verse says that the glory that god gave to jesus he has gave to his apostols. But if you take the example of moses, when god was going to talk to the people of isreal, they where scared and told moses for he to talk to god. Another example (job 42:7) job whent to pray for 3 people.
    Another(Acts 10:1-5) this shows how cornillious always prayed to god and was very noble. God sent an angle to him and told him that god has been pleased of you, ( the angle did not tell him that he was saved because he was noble, nor because of his prayers.) But the angle told him to send two men for a man named pablo(apostol). When pablo arrived to cornillioes house ( cornillious was on his knees and the apostol told him to get up because the one you ador is god),well as they started to talk about the bible the holy spirit was upon them. God was greatfull with cornillios thats why the angel told him what to do. Why didn't the angel tell cornillous that he was saved or how to be saved, becouse there is order. What did pablo have that corniilios did not? Authorithy, authorithy to show him the way to be saved, once again, becouse there is order to follow
    The baptizem of the Apostol Aaron was the same as the last apostol pablo. Pablo baptizem was auto-baptizem as well. Why is this? Because there wasn' nt no one at the place with higher authorithy as the apostol pablo. He baptized him self glorifing the name of jeses the christ.
    On july 18, 1943 the lord showed this same authorithy to the apostol aron, to auto-baptize him self glorifing his name. Why? there wasent no one of higher authority. god bless chris.

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  7. Question: Why did Brother Eusebio (Aaron) go through all of this since he had already received from God the one true Holy Spirit as recorded in the history book with its own chapter on (pages 16 – 18) titled “HE RECEIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT”. What is even more amazing is in this same chapter it is recorded that his wife Sister Elisa had already received the Holy Spirit because of her faith in the Lord Jesus.
    In responce to your question chris, the brother aron was trying to find the way to please the lord, but in july 18, the lord manifested this vision to the brother aaron to auto-baptizes him self because the previouse baptizems were incorrect. Like the apostol pablo, he aslo auto-baptized him self glorifing in the name of jesus.
    About the sister Elisa( how she recived the holy spirit), take the example of corniilious, when peter arrived to there house and started to talk about the bible, it says that the holy spirit was upon them. They were not baptized yet and they had alredy recived the holy spirit.
    its the same anonymous from this page

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  8. Dear Anonymous,

    This is the conflict that I encountered back in 2007/2008 when I began to read the entire context of the Scriptures when particular verses of Scriptures were used by LLDM to support doctrines particularly the doctrine of “Apostolic Authority” such as with the passages you are citing here (John 17:22), (Acts 9 with Paul’s Conversion) and (Acts 10).

    LLDM makes statements from these passages that are not supported by the passages themselves or (reading information into that is not there). For example you, and LLDM, made the statement as fact that Paul baptized himself, “Pablo baptizem was auto-baptizem as well.” At first I too took this statement at face value because it was being told to me by a pastor that I assumed knew more about the Bible and had authority over me. So I accepted this interpretation that originated with Aaron and currently from Samuel.

    But then one day soon after my baptism into LLDM I read the entire book of Acts for the first time and hit me that in Acts 9 no where does it say that Paul baptized himself. Read Acts 9:18 and will see that it states that, “He (Paul) got up and was baptized.” The one fact that we can pull from this is that Ananias was with Paul at this time and Ananias was a God loving disciple because the Lord called on him to go to Saul and bring the good news. Ananias placed his hands on Paul and gave to him the good news of Jesus and “something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes”.

    So here it was not by Paul’s will that his eyes were healed, but by the will of Jesus. Then Paul got up and was baptized. No where does it say that he baptized himself just as it does not say that Ananias baptized him, but if you study the way in which someone was baptized in this time from the Jews traditions no one ever baptized themselves. They were also ways baptized by someone else such as with John the Baptist. Now with Jesus’ it is very clearly stated that John baptized Jesus. Jesus was showing to mankind that he (God in the Flesh) came to earth not to be served to, but to serve (Matt 3:13).

    Regarding (Acts 10) and Cornelius and his family I have already written a study titled “It Is the Message, Not the Messenger – Acts 10 & 11” and here is the link to it.

    http://thetruthaboutlldm.blogspot.com/2009/09/it-is-message-not-messenger-acts-10-and.html

    But I want to clarify something from your comment regarding who it was that was called by the Lord to go to Cornelius. A number of times you stated the name “Pablo” as being the apostle that went to Cornelius and his family. Pablo translated into English as Paul. Am I correct to say that you are saying that it was Paul who went to Cornelius?

    As for this blogs topic regarding Aaron’s 3 baptisms I want to ask you this question. What was Jesus’ instructions to his idsciples (future apostles) in (Matt 28:16-20). Read this passage, no read the entire book of Matthew, and let me know what it says to you.

    God's peace and blessing to you in the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

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  9. chris i wrote back to you but it wasnt posted i probubly did it wrong. i well be re-writting it again ok.

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  10. But I want to clarify something from your comment regarding who it was that was called by the Lord to go to Cornelius. A number of times you stated the name “Pablo” as being the apostle that went to Cornelius and his family. Pablo translated into English as Paul. Am I correct to say that you are saying that it was Paul who went to Cornelius?
    I meant paul thanx.
    chris i read acts 9:18. Yes you are telling the truth, it does not say that Paul baptized him self nor does it say that ananiis baptized him. But if you read Acts 22:1-16 (16 and now why terriest thou? arise and be baptised and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the lord.) this shows how he auto-baptises him self.
    i read Matthew 28. Is not that the baptisem was wrong or false. It was the rite baptisem because jesus him self told his idesiplies to baptise in the trinity.But in the book of Acts 2:38 then peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of jesus christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall recive the gift of the holy spirit.
    Romens 6:3 know ye not that so many of us were baptized into jesus christ were baptized into death.Galatians 3:27. The apostols started baptizing in the name of jesus and not in the trinity.
    I have one question for you chris?
    (Matt 3:13) – “Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.”
    the phrase "let it be so now: what does this say, whats the purpose of this phrase. sorry i took to long in writting back is that i had posted a comment befor but i did not post it rite

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  11. chis when you have a chance could you get back to my comment.please. god pless

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  12. chris you still revise your comments

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  13. chris could you get back to my comment please.
    the day October 13, 2010 4:36 PM
    same anon

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  14. chris i hope you get back to my comment
    Do you agree that paul was auto-baptize?

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  15. chris if you wont to move on to another subject of the light of the world that your not clear about ill try to answer your questions

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  16. chris do you not responed because of the text i gave of Paul

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  17. Dear Anonymous,

    I apologize for not posting that I would be out of the country for the past week. I have alot to read through and not just this blog site but with school and work. I will get back with responces here shortly.

    God's blessings and thank you for missing me and our talks. I too enjoy the discussions.

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  18. oH THATS GOOD CHRIS, YUP ITS GOOD, DONT WORRY ABOUT IT ITS FINE, I UNDERSTAND THE WORK LOAD YOU MUST HAVE

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  19. Awsome!! i love this, keep talking about LLDM

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  20. Anonymous #1,
    I hear that yalls Prophet just gets rich off the members money, to the extent that he drives nothing but luxury cars, expencive suits, travels the world, and owns ranches. I see how ppl have attacked yall, if christopher was left silent, this should be a good topic. I like to see both sides completley in detail to make final assumtions. Thank you

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  21. this is anonaymous # 1, yes your rite that alot of people do attack us like this that he roles in luxury cars, expensive suits, and ouwn ranches. But this material is not of use for him, he has said that all this well be left be hind, and that he dosent need the riches, or any type of matrial just as all the apostols have said. About traveling the world, yes he does travel the world, but, its for church, even though he has houses he never enjoys of them because hes always traveling to visit the brothers and to modavate them to spread the gospal of truth. Well thank you anonymous for thanking us. god bless.

    the same anon from the rest of this page, well from the begining, god bless.

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  22. i still revise oour chat chris, no worrys, i know how it feels to be behind in work. Our chat is in freeze mode. just waiting. god bless chris

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  23. chris i sow that you have responded to other comments and not yet got to mine, well i will still revise for your comment chris. god bless

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  24. chris with all the love in my heart for you, actually brother chris because you are baptized in the lldm, i hope you just leave a little comment of any sort, regarding arons baptizem. god bless chris.

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  25. lpds hmno anonymous dlp for keeping the name of lldm THE REAL CHURCH OF THE LORD'S name in high i too will be reading and posting becouse there is nothing man can say about lldm that we cant reply to OF GOD. with the teaching of the APOSTLE dice la biblia en isaias 42/2 no gritara, ni alsra su voz,...por medio de la verdad traera justicia.

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  26. Amen brother dios te pagecon la auda del senor la iglesia saldra triunfante

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  27. What a great resource!

    clomid

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  28. Very interesting...I was going your entire blog, until I read a very big mistake on your part, where you state "The Lord Jesus did this for the express purpose to show to mankind that [He, God in the Flesh]," ...First of all, JESUS is NOT GOD! He is the SON of GOD. Secondly, God and Flesh are never the same. You could say oppisites. So with that said, I admit I didn't continue reading. What's the point if you actually don't have one "fact" correct, your whole blog is most likely incorrect

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  29. Dear Z.B. Flowers,

    Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. “… you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

    John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

    Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

    In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

    The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

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  30. christopher ur argument on jesus being god is not accurate. this is gabriel so u can adress me as that and not anonymous and im am a memeber born and raised in lldm.

    jesus christ is not god. the reason he said that he and his father are one is because the jews claimed to believe in god and not christ...christ word of him being "one with the father" meant that u cannot believe in god and deny his son jesus for they are one!!

    and also jesus said these words in gethsemani
    John 17 verses 21-24
    "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

    going by what you say christopher about jesus being god because he sais he and his father are one in the same if u follow that logic that means the apostles are jesus christ???? no! ofcourse not they are different!! but re-read these verses and jesus sais that he and the apostles are one. ofcourse he meant that u cannot believe in him and deny his apostles!! they are one in christ and christ is one with the omnipotent so, if u believe in his apostles u believe in christ, and if u believe in christ u believe in god!! they are one and have the same authority! thats the meaning of christs words!!

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  31. -gabriel lldm-

    i read ur comment christopher on how u cited john 20 verse 28 to defend ur argument on how u believe jesus is god however u are not accurate! u seem very knowledegeable in the scriptures and i can tell u have read the bible however analyze what im about to tell u and other people curious about la luz del mundo and its teachings we have learned from samuel joaquin...
    to start i can call u a god right now chris! a "god" is someone who makes decisions! when the devil told eve in the garden that when she would eat the forbidden fruit she would become like god knowing good and evil the devil was in fact telling her the truth!!! she did become like god knowing good and evil! our lord god even refers to himself as "God of gods" in deuteronomy chp 10 verse 17:

    For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward

    who are these gods? these gods are u and me chris! God calls us gods and so refers to himself as "God of gods"! if u look at psalms ch 82 verse 6:

    "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

    so if u and me who are sinners are called gods then how much more is jesus christ called a god!!! thats why he did not correct people when they called him god!! and also worship has been given to christ under his fathers orders!! phillippians 2 verse 10:

    "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth"

    as soon as a person bends both his knees to honor someone or something it is worship!!!!! no persons knees should bend for anyone but to christ and to God!! christ humbled himself to the max so God exalted him above everything! these are the teachings of la luz del mundo!!! taught to us by the apostle samuel joaquin flores!



    para los hermanos de la luz del mundo, no se desanimen hermanos!! ninguno ha contestado la doctrina revelada!! no estamos solos! pidamosle al senor la ayuda para saber como responder a la gente que tenga preguntas de nuestra iglesia!!! dios les bendiga y guarde!!! firmes y adelante huestes de la fe!

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  32. gabriel

    check the other blogs by christopher tarrant cuz i comment on them too!

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  33. Jose
    To Gabriel God bless you brother. I also wrote to.Chris but as Jake because I was on my brothers computer. You could read the comments me and him talked about. I also gave home the chapter of john17. That the way he thinks when he says that God and Christ r one, trying to prove.that Jesus is God.then that would mean that the apostols were. God. Make things short he stoped commenting and now he started writing. Back. I will also be writing. In his blog. A Bro Wat church do u attend east la. Huntington park south central.which one. I attend south central Bro God bless

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  34. Gabriel

    to Jose

    amen brother! the bible sais we are CO-HEIRS with christ so trinitarians would also have to agree we are God!! christ calls us brothers putting us on his level! alot of trinitarians do not see this but we have to keep tryng to show what the bible really sais! God bless you! im in texas actually

    gabriel

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  35. The last human being that had direct communication with God (the Father, the Word, and Holy Spirit) without any help was Adam. Once Adam sinned he and all of man-kind has not been able to have direct communication (communion) with the Father in heaven. This is what the Word, Jesus, does for us now. He is our only way to have direct communication with the Father in heaven.

    Was Adman God? No of course not! By Faith in Jesus Christ we become a part of his Holy body. Because we are part of His body the Father in heaven sees us as a part of the perfect and sinless body of Jesus who sits at his right hand.

    Thru Jesus’ perfect body the Father in heaven hears our prayers and accepts our sacrifices of denying the lusts of our flesh. This how we become joint heirs of the glory that the Father has given to his only begotten Son who is God as the Word and all that I say here is found in Hebrews. Of course we do not become God, but we do become a part of God as a part of the body of Christ. This is the parable of the protocol son returning to the father that the Lord Jesus told of.

    When the son chose to turn away from his life of sin and return back to the father. When the son came back to his father’s love and home did the son become as the Father? No, but the son was once again able to receive the blessings of the father because now the father could hear his son, because his son was near to him once again.

    Just as it is with us when we become part of the body of Christ we are once again near to the Father and He can hear our voice of praise and glory to Him. Amen

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  36. Gabriel

    ok so Jesus christ is not God the father but retained his divinity as God while he was a human, if i am not mistaken this is what trinitarians believe! so would anyone explain if Jesus was God in the flesh why was he not omnibenevolent?

    mark 10:18

    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

    funny how jesus sais only God is good and yet trinitarians say that jesus is God in the flesh. here christ is clearly distinguishing himself (human) from his father (God)

    Gabriel

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  37. gabriel

    1 corinthians 8:5 and 6 completely shatters trinity beliefs

    5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

    6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


    verse 6 states that there is only ONE God, the Father! and ONE LORD, Jesus Christ! notice how is never said God the son! However in verse 5 it mentions that there are beings in heaven and earth that are called gods! Christ is one of those beings! however to those gods and to those lords there is ONE God! The father!!! and ONE Lord, Christ! the trinity is a false teaching!!!

    Gabriel

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  38. Dear Gabriel,

    You have to consider that Jesus is drawing a distinction between human standards of "good" and God's standard, it becomes clear that following Jesus is good according to God's standard.  And, even if Scripture did not elsewhere abundantly declare Jesus' goodness and righteousness (see, for example, Romans 3:25; Heb 4:15; 9:14; 1 Peter 1:19, etc.), the command to follow Him would proclaim it.  Thus, by the very standard Jesus is exhorting the young ruler to measure himself by - God's standard - Jesus is Good, and not by what humans define as being good.  And, if Jesus is Good by this standard, Jesus is implicitly declaring His Deity.

    Further, Jesus elsewhere uses "Good" to refer to Himself:  "I am the Good Shepherd" Jesus never define himself by human standards (good), but only by His standard, Good. The measurement of Good is to be sinless, and we know that only God (Father, Word, Holy Spirit) is sinless. So when the Word became flesh as Jesus he was and still is the only flesh that is Good, because He was not born from the seed of Adam, but from the seed of the Holy Spirit.

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  39. Gabriel,

    I have a question for you.

    LDM teaches that the Bible is a dead works of long past and dead prophets and apostles that has no life in it for salvation.

    Would mind citing from LDM's long list of apostolic letters from Aaron and Samuel to support the new gospel and doctrines of LDM?

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  40. Gabriel,

    While you researching the apostolic letters would keep in mind and help to support this statement that was made during the 2008 Holy Supper Convention.

    "It is because the Lord called Aaron and now Samuel that salvation is again available to men. If it had not been for Aaron Joaquin his son and their restoration, there would be no salvation for the world" (2008 Holy Supper Convention in the City of San Bernardino, CA)

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  41. Gabriel

    to christopher

    first off in 1corinthians chapter 8 verses 5 and 6 it was not jesus speaking it was the apostle paul! and about the letters of samuel and aaron...what exactly do you want me to cite? now on the topic of the bible it is only an example left for us! that is it! the apostles in the bible cannot save us nor forgive sins anymore! they finished their ministry! just like in LLDM we believe Aaron cannot save us nor forgive us anymore! he finished his ministry! and when samuel passes away and if the lord chooses another apostle then samuel will not be able to save or preach because his ministry will be fulfilled and his letters will be examples that is it! in that time the new apostle will preach his gospel that the Lord will bestow on him...thats IF there is another apostle destined...that decision is up to the lord we do not know for sure

    Gabriel

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  42. Christopher,
    What congregation or Religion do you belong to?

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  43. Hey Chris,
    So you believe that there is no need of a Man of God in these times? Because from what I know, and is clearly reasonable, that from the very BEGINNING of the PRIMITIVE church of Christ, there was always an Apostle in front of his people. What makes you think that there is no need for one right now?

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  44. Chris, first of I don't know why you would call your blog "the truth about LLDM" if you don't know the teachings of LLDM. It saddens me to hear you have abandoned the ark of God. I believe in all your writings you have a common misconception about a simple point of Doctrine, which, being a member of the Church of Christ I have been blessed to receive, and now can share with you. God, has always established a man to reach salvation since Noah, Moses, his Apostles, David, Jeremiah, just to name a few. However, God did not give him his 'DOMINION' over the heavens and earth. He gave Christ his 'Authority' and Jesus gave that 'faculty' to his Apostles (there are so many references I wish I could talk to you instead). With that said, the bible is the testimony of God. Sadly, many men have added and omitted for their gain. But God did not constitute a 'book' to save his people. Back to the Authority on earth, Jesus is the Lord because God gave him all of that Authority. Jesus, is not God because he said, "those who believe in me, believe in he who sent me, the father." You're forgetting that Jesus did not 'have' to be baptized to prove who he was (he knew it) but he did it because he is humble and just. Becuase he led by example to all who would believe in him. But baptism or not, he is still the son of God. John, was granted authority when Jesus ordered him to baptize him. When Paul was baptized, there was Authority by an Apostle already on the earth, so it was very likely Paul was baptized below the Authority of an Apostle in the name of JesusChrist. Now about Aaron Joaquin, you see, there was no 'authority' on the earth for him to be baptized under. Now if you're wondering why he didn't "automatically know" then you haven't paid mind particularly to how Jesus works through his Apostles, like Paul, Peter, speaking to them sporadically at different times on their journeys. John 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me THROUGH THEIR MESSAGE"

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    1. Yep through their message so we can believe in Jesus... But that does not mean that person is our salvation.. He is just doing his duty as a Christian. When you start talking to someone who wants to know about God/Jesus you are talking to them about the Bible what you read and know.. So you are passing a message.. So that's through your message. That does not give you the title to call yourself a savior, because you will be taking everything away that Jesus came here to do. Its sad how LLDM members have songs and pray ect. to Samuel when they should be doing that for Jesus.. and i know you are going to say you do that for Jesus but remember all our praise should only be to one. God

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    2. You are right! Our praise should only be to God, and at LLDM it is. One time a woman (not knowing) threw herself down at the feet of the Apostle. He told her, "get up," and then said, "don't ever do that again." He has taught us that WORSHIP is only for The Lord. He has taught us to pray in the name of The Lord, to be baptized in his name, and to be grateful to him. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. We do not pray to him, he has taught us to pray to God.

      "Honor to whom honor, tribute to whom tribute, owe no man anything but to love." Jesus commands this. Could you agree that honor and worship are 2 different things? Please answer this question

      It sounds like you may have not been taught a whole lot about the Apostolic ministry which Jesus came to establish with his first 11. Would you like to learn more? The teachings of an Apostle of Jesus Christ are beautifull and there is not a more perfect Doctrine in all of the Land. Here is a first glance, read Ephesians Chapter 3, all of it, you will find this:

      "Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ." (Ephesians 3:8, 9 KJV)

      A mystery to you but not a mystery to LLDM no more.

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  45. You should pay particular mind about how AAron Joaquin and Samuel Joaquin, although through tremendous adversity, (Aaron was almost killed a few times in the name of Christ in a predominantly Catholic state) they still did everything to gratify God first. Also I would like to clarify something my brother Gabriel said in his defense. we are not Gods. But we are created in God's image. What does this mean? yes, we have a soul which God made SIMILIAR to him, because if you read Genesis 1 God wanted beings similiar to him on earth. Yes, we have free-will. In the bible it says we can reach the stature of Christ, but we can only reach the measure of Christ spiritually. If you're wondering where I get my references, it is the truth of the living God in the Apostle of Jesus Christ. Don't forget God is a spirit. Also, I ask you, if anyone had believed Noah, granted God had his chosen people, would more people have been saved?

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  46. hahaha cristopher couldn't answer to job portillo because he doesn't have the truth nor the correct information about LLDM.
    Hint: If your gonna start a blog on something or someone get your facts straight.

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  47. You are correct in that I myself having nothing else to comment on, but what I am very happy and grateful to the Holy Spirit for is that this blog as well as all of the others, have accomplished exactly what I prayed they would do.

    That is they have stimulated discussion regarding these issues and doctrines of LLDM. Giving members a neutral place to post their thoughts and rebuttals and to reference Scriptures that they think support these doctrines.

    In doing so we all can have an insight into the minds and hearts of LLDM members.

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  48. Keep up the good work Christopher! We do get an inside into their minds and hearts.

    God is Jesus in the flesh! John 1:1-14

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  49. Keep up the good work Christopher! Thank you for what you do.

    God is Jesus in the flesh! John 1:1-14

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  50. Chris, you are truly as the Pharisees when Jesus spoke to them. I truly feel the zeal of the Lord when I speak to people like you, who "follow" God according to their imagination. Think about this Proverb:

    "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

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