October 13, 2009

What Does La Luz Del Mundo Teach Who Jesus Christ Is?

Apostle John instructed all Christians "Beloved" to be wary of all teachers coming in the name of Jesus Christ and to test them. This is a study of what is that test. This test can be applied to all teachers and/or organizations. For this study I will be focusing on the organization of "La Luz Del Mundo."

Testing the spirits
(1 John 4:1-6)

What does La Luz Del Mundo Teach who Jesus Christ is?

La Luz Del Mundos’ doctrine teaching of Christ, or its Christology, is that the Spirit of God, the Word, came down to earth and entered into the body of man named Jesus at the time of his baptism by John the Baptist. They teach that at his birth, a baby was born such as Moses. One destined to serve God, but not God in the flesh. Just a man, and this man’s name was Jesus.

Jesus was raised and lived like any other human being and at his baptism God send his Word into the human, Jesus, (so in other words Jesus, the man, was a human host for the Word of God to come to mankind here in earth). For the next three years the Word, in Jesus’ body now Jesus Christ, spread his ministry of the Kingdom of God. At the end of his three years of ministering, the Word in Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. Jesus Christ said, ‘It is finished’, and gave up the Spirit or the Word, returning Jesus Christ to the man Jesus.

The body of Jesus was taken down and placed into a grave but the Word was not with Jesus. The Word was among us on earth and was seen as a vision of Jesus for forty days before ascending into heaven. Since that day and to this one, the Word of God in Spirit is with the Father in heaven. La Luz Del Mundo teaches that just like in the days of Moses, God needs a human host on earth for his Spirit - the Word - to indwell in and give power for forgiveness of sins and for salvation to all of mankind.

God needed Moses’ body for his Spirit the Word to do his work here on earth. God needed Jesus’ body for his Spirit the Word to do his work here on earth. After nearly 2000 years of non-salvation to mankind, God needed Eusebio Joaquine Gonzalez’s (Aaron) body for his Spirit the Word to do his work here on earth. And now God needs Samuel Joaquin’s body for his Spirit the Word to do his work here on earth and it is through him that God’s Spirit flows to all mankind, he is the “Light of the World”, the “Fountain head of the Spirit”. This is the Christology of La Luz Del Mundo.

Let’s see how La Luz Del Mundo’s Christology stands up when you but it to John’s test in “testing the spirits.” The test for testing the spirits comes from (1John 4:1-6).

The fourth chapter of John's epistle the subject in the opening six verses is to test the spirits. You see that in verse 1, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits." John understands how important it is to realize that you can't believe everything you hear, you can't believe everyone that is purporting to come from God, and you can't believe everything that is supposedly biblical. You are not to believe all teachers of religion(s), you cannot believe all Christian preachers, or Christian evangelists or teachers. You cannot believe all who claim to speak for God and claim to have a prophetic voice that is set loose in the world.

You'll notice at the end of verse 6 the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error. It either comes from the Spirit of truth, who is the Holy Spirit, so called by our Lord Himself several times in the upper room in the gospel of John. There is the Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, and there is the spirit of error who is Satan and his demons. All Spiritual truth either comes from a divine source or a demonic source. And we know that God speaks truth and reveals truth and Satan speaks a lie and is a deceiver and so it is very important that we are able to tell the difference.

In this book here in chapter 4, John commands believers to test the spirits. This is necessary if you're going to tell the difference between the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. You have to know whatever information is coming to you by where it is coming from. Error is not benign (not deadly), it is malignant (deadly) . It is not human, it is demonic. Spiritual truth comes from the Holy Spirit and it is life-giving, life-sustaining, life-producing, God-glorifying, or it comes from demons. It is either the doctrine of God or the doctrine of demons. It is either that word which is sent and powered by the Holy Spirit, or it comes from seducing spirits. There is no grey area here, only white or black. Teachers are either the true teachers of God, or hypocritical liars, espousing the doctrine of demons fostered by seducing spirits. We must know the difference because truth gives life, error kills.

First, John gives us a command to test. "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." There is a spirit behind every teaching. Be skeptical to discern whether it is the truth or error that is being taught, whether it comes from the Spirit of God, or a demonic spirit. That's the command to test.

Secondly is the reason to test. And the reason is at the end of verse 1, "Because many false prophets have gone out into the world." It is a huge problem and those who have not allowed themselves to be educated by the Holy Spirit are victimized. Those who call themselves spiritual teachers, religious prophets, and gurus, are false teachers, because they point to themselves as the source of knowledge and not the true source, the Holy Spirit.

False teachers of religious systems and cults that claim to know Christ and to represent Christianity are hypocritical liars teaching doctrines of demons motivated by seducing spirits. The world is literally drowning in a sea of demonic lies! We live in a time then when we must be educated by the Holy Spirit and by him alone. We are commanded to be so and the reason is because this false teaching is so common. Not get me wrong here; I am not saying that we should not lessen and study with Christians whom are more mature in the faith then we are. We are commanded to meet together for the sake of the body of Christ. We just need to make sure that like the Bereans of (Acts 17) that we study all things for ourselves.

Now that brings us to the emphasis on the way to test, or the means to test. The command, we've seen. The reason, we've seen. And now here is the means, or the way to test and that comes from verse 2 down through the remainder of this paragraph, verse 6. The simple way to sum it up is to give you three perspectives on this. But let's look at verse 2 just to get the introduction. "By this you know the Spirit of God." Now here comes the means by which we can test. We need to know how to know that something comes from the Spirit of God. And he tells us, "By this...” and then goes on to identify what "this" refers to. Here is the positive test that will reveal rather if something is coming from the Spirit of God and not a demon spirit.

Verse 2 again, "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God." There's one thing demons will inevitably deny in all their demonic systems, and that is they will deny the deity of Jesus Christ. They will deny God in human flesh. In a word, they deny the incarnation. So let’s make this very clear -the spirit of anti-christs’ number one mission is to get mankind to believe the lie that Jesus was just another man, the Spirit of God came down to earth and indwelled with in the human body of a man named Jesus at the time of his baptism by John the Baptist. And it was at this moment that Jesus became the Christ (Jesus Christ) for the next three years of his ministry. When Jesus Christ, while on the cross, said “It is finished” and he gave up his Spirit. The antichrist wants mankind to believe that Jesus went back to being just another man and the Spirit of God left its bodily host for the next three days. During the 40 days that Jesus Christ is record in the gospels and Acts as beginning among us, he was just a heavenly Spirit in the image of Jesus who ascended back to heaven. When someone comes and affirms that Jesus Christ is God in flesh then they are not falling for the lie of the antichrist and will not be swayed to believe more false teachings.

So the test that you want to perform for any teacher; is what is their definition or how to see Christ. This is called their Christology, their doctrine of Christ which presupposes the doctrine of the Trinity. If you have somebody who denies the Trinity, you have a problem because they are teaching that Jesus Christ cannot be God come in the flesh (John 1:1-2, 14), the second person of the Trinity in the fullness of what the New Testament teaches about Him if in fact there is not a Trinity. So in other words if Jesus was just a normal human man and not the very perfection of God himself, then his blood was not perfect and did not have the power to cover all of the past, present and future sins of mankind to those who call on his name. Because only the perfection of God in the flesh can remove the sin that Adam brought to mankind by the sacrifice and shedding of His perfect blood, be raised from the dead in the “first fruit” immortal body, to ascend into heaven in the flesh and as a man to be the true and perfect High Priest for us in heaven at the right hand of God the Father (Hebrew 1), Amen.

But John doesn't get into all of the nuances here. He's just very simple says to test the validity of any teacher and you will see rather they are truly from God teaching the doctrine of Jesus Christ – God in the flesh. In fact, back in chapter 1 John says in verse 1, "That he beheld, and actually touched, the Word of life." That is a term expressing the very deity, the very Godliness of Christ, for Christ emanates from God as His living Word. He was in verse 2 with the Father, One with the Father, sharing the same essence with the Father and dwelling in the perfect light with the Father before He came to earth. He was manifested to us. The end of verse 3 tells us that our fellowship consequently is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.

John states a very simple and definitive Christological statement in his epistle (1 John), that Jesus Christ came “in” the flesh and not “in to” the flesh. This is the whole point of the virgin birth. The Holy Spirit conceived its self into a virgin girl, Mary, so that a male child could be born with out the sin of Adam that is past down by the seed of man. God is the father of himself the Word. This is the only way the God could make the perfect blood to sacrifice and remove the sin of Adam upon mankind. This is why we have such a detailed telling of the birth of Jesus Christ and the wise men that came to worship him, a baby! They were declaring to the entire world that this baby is the King of Kings. In the world of royalty the rules are very clear, you do not address a man King until his has been anointed and becomes the King. Jesus Christ was already the King of Kings at the time of his birth into the world, up to his baptism, at the cross, in the grave, during his 40 days among us, at his going to heaven, and at this very moment in the flesh seated at the right hand of God the Father! It is amazing how non-Jewish wise men knew the Hebrew Scriptures better than the Jews themselves, so much that they very clearly understood that this baby boy is God in the Flesh.

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ, the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son doesn't have the Father. The one who confesses the Son has the Father also." And here again John emphasizes the deity of Jesus Christ that He shares the same nature as the Father, you can't honor the Father without the Son because they are in essence one sharing the same divine and perfect nature.

Well, I think you get the message how very, very important one's Christology is. And if one error on the identity of Jesus Christ, this is not from the Spirit of God and every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ, God, has come in the flesh is from God. That's the first proposition about Jesus, that He is God, He is the eternal life that came from dwelling in the very presence of God the Father and God the Spirit down to earth. You're confessing that Jesus Christ is a person and not just a Spirit that came to earth, dwelled in a man’s body, left that body and returned to heaven. You're confessing that Jesus Christ as a person is God in human flesh. You are saying He is come from God. That is implying the necessity for Him to come into this world in human form to carry out His redemptive work as a substitute for men. We believe then that the human Jesus and the divine Christ are one and the same. When someone has that Christology, they are speaking a message that comes from the Holy Spirit.

It doesn't mean that everything they say is accurate, but if they get this right, they past the test. But there's another element to it. It is not just confessing Jesus Christ has come in the flesh that saves; demons recognize that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh. The other element comes out of (Romans 10:9), “9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Demons recognize His deity. There are others who would recognize or affirm His deity. But it is absolutely critical that one confess Him as Lord.

Jesus is the litmus test of reality for people. You have the right view of Jesus, you have the right beginning. (Luke 10:16) "The one who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." You reject Jesus, the true Jesus, the one and only, and you are rejecting God, no matter what you think. Anybody who rejects Christ rejects God. You honor the Son and the Father or neither. And the idea today is that other religions worship the same God. They don't. You reject Jesus as God in human flesh, you reject Jesus as the God/Man, fully God, fully man, who came as a substitute for sin and you don't know God no matter what you think. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me." Jesus said to the Pharisees in (John 8:42), "If God were your Father, you would love Me." And so John says in chapter 2 verse 23, as we read, "No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." We all like to make everybody in their religion feel good, but if they reject the deity of Jesus Christ, they do not know God at all.

It says in verse 2 that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, not into the flesh. As if Christ just came down and temporarily went in to some man, stayed there for a while and then left. It doesn't say that He came into the flesh; it says that He came in the flesh. He didn't descend into an already existing man, He came and was born. He came and actually indwelt that little tiny baby in the mystery of the incarnation in the very womb of Mary and was framed and formed there into the God/Man. Jesus Christ also is full of meaning. Jesus, Greek form of Joshua, means Jehovah saves. Christ means the Anointed One, the King, the Messiah. So you have to confess that this is the God/Man who came as God's chosen King and Messiah and took on flesh to be a substitute for sinners. And on the other side of that, verse 3, "Every spirit that does not confess Jesus in this way is not from God."

Here's the bottom line. When you meet these teachers, and they come with their teachings, you test their Christology. What's their doctrine of the incarnation? This is the very foundation of their faith. They may tell you everything about everything correctly, but if they are hiding a false teaching about Jesus Christ then all is corrupted. You can have the most perfectly designed and constructed building, but if the foundation is not correctly constructed per the design, the perfect building with fall and will destroy all who dwell within it. Then verse 6 closes, "By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

(Jude 2), "May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you. Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. Fight to guard the truth for certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."

So, I leave you with this question – Is La Luz Del Mundo, under the authority of Samuel Joaquin, under the control of a seducing spirit or is lead by the Spirit of God – The Word?

And I thank you for having the interest and for taking your time to read and think upon this study.

God’s Blessings in our Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

35 comments:

  1. Christopher, did you know that in Hebrew, there is no word for coincidence? There is no coincidence, there is only God's Will, that is why I give praise to the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ our Savior that it is His Will to have connected us.

    I would like to just contribute a little to what you've extensively covered very well. Testing the Spirits is extremely important for all Christians, because just believing what you feel in your heart is very dangerous for all people. According to 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, Satan appears as an angel of light and is demons as ministers of righteousness. They mask themselves as those who give God's truth when, in fact, they give the opposite. False Doctrine had it's beginning in the Garden of Eden, and the first temptation was based on an effort to corrupt the Word of God. There are 4 essentials that surround all false doctrine: doubt, distortion, denial, and deceit. The 4 "D's" of false doctrine are another warning straight from the Bible:

    Doubt: Satan said to Eve "Has God said?" (Genesis 3:1), planting doubt in her mind that maybe she didn't understand correctly.

    Distortion: Eve replied that "God has said you shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it." (Genesis 3:3). But God didn't say anything about not touching the tree.

    Denial: Satan told Eve "You shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4), a direct contradiction of what God had previously said (Genesis 2:17).

    Deceit: Satan told her "When you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:5). The first lie is told, making Satan the father of all lies. He says her eyes will be opened, promising enlightenment and understanding. Satan is busy deceiving people about what is true, his demons wage a persistent and endless counter-campaign to keep people ignorant of divinely revealed truth and Salvation. The preachers proclaiming these false doctrines about Jesus are not to blame, Satan and His demons are the ones to blame. The man is merely Satan's mouthpiece.

    Most significant to me about the fall of man is that God had not forbidden Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life and live forever with Him. It was only after that mankind chose against God's Word that this separation was made, and the tree of life hidden. God always wanted a life in communion with us from the beginning. This is why it was God's very good pleasure to reveal His Word to us through the Holy Scriptures, so that by reading the Bible any one may learn the truth of God and serve Him wholly.

    I am very grateful to God for guiding mankind by His Word in Spiritual Discernment. Thank you for this study Christopher, God's blessings to you and to all.

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  2. Colin,

    God's blessings to you and thank you very much for the additional Scpriture and thoughs. It is my earnest pray that the Holy Spirit will use all that we are bringing to light for the glorification of our Lord Jesus Christ. And even if not one member of LLDM turns from the lie of Samuel Joaquin we will be encouraged by the fact that we spoke up for the truth, the gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ.

    With all Love in Christ Jesus, Amen.

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  3. I'm sorry, but are you the same one who posted the blog on LLDM: Church founded on lies? I am Micael C. Following this blog. But you know what? I think that I will not argue what you believe is right. I feel that Satan has found a great way to make us even look worse. You know the most amazing part about it, we suffer this kind of persecution of lies and deceit that you make us look like, however; you may be living in the peace of it. That is the beauty of suffering with Christ. Satan does not care about you all, he has caught you all in his hands. Yet, he is still continuing to catch us. Why does he care about working with you? He has caught you in the hole. No, no, he is in constant against us the light of the world, through people like you. I will not read anymore of these things. However, Jesus was right. The path to heaven is narrow. I hope you will end up finding it. But I promise you, you will not gain it by persecuting us. You are like Paul, hopefully the Lord will have Mercy on you too.

    GOD BLESS YOU

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  4. Mican,

    All is within your will, the great gift from God, for you to freely descide for yourself of what faith you wish to believe.

    I assure you that my intent is not to persecute LLDM nor even Samuel. My intent is to guide those who have yet to read the Scriptures, the Word of God, the Holy Bible for themselves. And to pray that they will allow the Holy Spirit to guide them to the truth of the Gospel.

    Grace from the Lord Jesus Christ.

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    1. I'm here to prosecute Samuel.

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  5. I persecute no one. But...

    "if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?"(Romans 2:17-23)

    My purpose is the same as Christopher's.

    Let me ask you; I do not believe in Samuel Joaquin for Salvation. I do not believe I need to go through his "authority" in order to receive Christ, or to be blessed by the Holy Spirit, or to have Salvation.

    Does that mean that Christ went to the cross in vain for my sins? Does it mean that when He rose from the grave, I was not to be included with the justification He brings? Does it mean He gives in to my accuser as my mediator and Great High Priest?

    The Bible is God's gift to the world so that everyone may know Him. It was intended for the multitudes. Read it alone, God's voice is quiet. Read it aloud to yourself and listen with your heart. Listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say:

    "Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts"(Psalm 95:7,8; Hebrews 3:15)

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  6. Micael has also been up to his tricks here? Amazing.

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  7. One thing that is good to do when reasoning from the Scriptures is assume a person's doctrine is correct and true; but then use the Scriptures to prove whether or not your assumption was correct.

    Let's assume the Christology of LLDM is correct, and then test it.

    Christology = the branch of theology concerning the person of Jesus Christ (who is Jesus?)

    OK, who is Jesus according to LLDM?

    "at his birth, a baby was born such as Moses. One destined to serve God, but not God in the flesh. Just a man, and this man’s name was Jesus."

    Let's dissect this. "a baby was born such as Moses", so assuming this is true, that means He was conceived by Mary and her husband Joseph coming together, and not by the Holy Spirit “overshadowing” Mary.

    So is Joseph the biological father of Jesus? Let's give a Scriptural paternity test.

    In Jeremiah 36:1-32, there is an unusual curse which absolutely excludes Joseph from being Jesus' genetic father.

    Jehoiakim was a king of Israel. He angered God by burning a scroll that Jeremiah the prophet had written. So God cursed Jehoiakim by indicating that none of his children would sit on the throne of David (Jeremiah 36:29-31). And although Jehoiakim had children, Scripture shows that none of them ever reigned as king over Israel or Judah.

    The problem? Joseph, the legal father of Jesus, was one of Jehoiakim’s descendants (through Jeconiah). Joseph’s offspring could not claim David’s throne because of the curse (all property rights among the Jews were directly related to family heritage, which is a main reason why they carefully maintained accurate genealogies). If Jesus was the biological son of Joseph, he would have the legal lineage to claim David’s throne, but would be forbidden to do so because of God’s curse on Jehoiakim. Jesus did lay claim to the throne of David (Luke 1:32, Acts 2:30, Hebrews 12:2). So that means if Jesus was born from Joseph’s seed, then God’s curse was contradicted. Also, God had promised David that one of his physical descendants would reign on the throne of his kingdom forever (2 Samuel 7:12-13). Although Joseph was descended from David, he was excluded from being the genetic father of the future king of Israel. It was impossible to fulfill the requirements of both the promise and the curse by natural means. One man had to be born as both heir to and offspring of David, without being the genetic descendant of Jehoiakim. The problem required a divine solution.

    God’s solution was created in the miracle of the virgin birth. Although Joseph was Jehoiakim’s offspring through Solomon, Mary was not. She was descended from Nathan, one of David’s other sons (Luke 3:31). God’s promise to David was fulfilled because Mary was the biological parent of Jesus, but Joseph was not. Although by his mother’s line Jesus was not able to take the throne, since Joseph was also David’s descendant Jesus could have the legal title to the throne, while not Jehoiakim’s offspring. The virgin birth addresses the curse that God had placed on Jehoiakim. Kingship was an inherited right. By Joseph, Jesus inherited a legal claim to the throne of David, however He was exempt from the curse of Jehoiakim only because Joseph was not His genetic father. So the miracle of the virgin birth accomplished God’s will in 2 ways. 1st, it granted Jesus a legal claim to the throne of David, and 2nd it maintained the integrity of the curse God had pronounced on Jehoiakim.

    Indeed, Jesus was not Jehoiakim’s offspring nor the offspring of Joseph, and by reason of believing God's Word (The Holy Bible), one cannot believe LLDM's version of "who Jesus is?" as true.

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  8. I love reading what people think of LLDM..but i a positive that they dont Believe Joseph was the father of Jesus

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  9. Anonymous,

    Thank you and I praise the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ - God in the flesh - that you are willing to read and comment on what is presented here.

    Who is it that you are referring to when you said "that they dont Believe Joseph was the father of Jesus."?

    Who do you believe is the father of Jesus? Joseph or the Holy Spirit?

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  10. I just want to say that it is amazing how easily people are willing to be fulled. I was interested in knowing what the LLDM's believed, because i have some friends who are obsessed with it. I know that everyone will be saved. Jesus died for all of us. What we should all be seeking is how this is possible and wha the meaning of life really is. I believe that The devil was fooled into thinking Eve shouldn't have eaten the apple but really it was Gods plan all along that we should learn all things good and evil and grow in spirit to be more like our father in heaven. That way we can gain a perfect body like God has. Even the Devil being here on earth was for a purpose so we can learn the difference between good and evil. it doesn't take a college grad to know what is good and what is bad. When we hear truth we know right away but it is up to us to follow it and keep our ears open. I am open to learn about all faiths just so i can know the difference. I know i have found the true church. Not to say that knowone else will be saved. Everyone will be saved and when we leave this earth Jesus will tell us of all truth and some of us will deny him even then and will go to outer darkness. Those who believe but choose not to follow the commmandments of God will have their second death in the lake of fire and burn for the thousand years that Jesus reigns upon the earth. Afterwards those people will still have eternal life. The things of this world are not in heaven so those of us who like the things of this world will be miserable. We won't have perfect happiness and will not be perfect. Nothing unclean can be in the sight of God. But there is a place for everyone. That is why there are three degrees of glory in heaven. They differ like the sun the moon and the stars. Where God can't reside jesus will be. All those that were never baptized here on earth will also have a chance to be baptized here on earth. through baptism for the dead which is cleary in the bible. During the thousand years when the world is under direction of Jesus The saints will perform baptisms for every soul that has ever lived.We will all be saved and eventually all know the truth. Anyway back to this topic of LLDM. I feel sorry for these people who neglect their family and responsibilities to go and waste their time three times a day to go to their church and hear false doctrine. I can pray and read my biblr privately at home. I go once a week to partake of the sacrament and the rest of the time I am praying and trying to be a better person. I know what i have to do to be a better person. All of us do.We should all follow what we know already. The truth is within us.

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  11. "hereby know ye the spirit of god:every spirit that confeses that jesus christ is come in flesh is of god" chris your sying:La Luz Del Mundos’ doctrine teaching of Christ, or its Christology, is that the Spirit of God, the Word, came down to earth and entered into the body of man named Jesus at the time of his baptism by John the Baptist. They teach that at his birth, a baby was born such as Moses. One destined to serve God, but not God in the flesh. Just a man, and this man’s name was Jesus this is not our belife, we belive in what all chapter 4 says. This passage is talking about THE ANTI_CHRIST, so this is out of context towerds apostol samuel, The church belifs all chapter 4 says. Samuel is not saying that jesus did not come in flesh, he does not say that a spirit intered a man named jesus and left. yes it says test the spirits because false peophets have gone out into the world.This does not classify apostol samuel, he being the apostol of jesus nows that jesus came. This passege is for those who dont admit that jesus has came and pretend to be jesus( or to try to take the place of jesus) and samuel has done none of these, he always says that jesus is the only way to salvation, no one else brings salvation but jesus. Samuel shows us the way and thats why we are able to reach salvation like the other apostols in their time. God bless chris hope you still keep attending the church.
    for the honer and the glory of the Lord. Amen

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  12. Gabriel

    most of the people today believe Christ is God! they believe in the trinity! the trinity is a false teaching!

    read 1 Corinthians chapter 8 verses 5 and 6!

    there is your answer as to how many Gods there are and who Christ is! He is not God!

    Gabriel

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  13. Gabriel,

    Yes, I quit agree with you that there is only one true God, the “One”. It seems to me that you thinking that the biblical doctrine of the “Trinity” is to mean that there is three separate gods and that the “Trinity” comes from Roman Catholicism which is not the case. When you say the name “God” you are referring to the three aspects of God – the Father in heaven, the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit of God. Which I know that this contradicts the doctrines of LDM which teaches that Jesus was just another man like the rest of us that was blessed to have the Spirit of God come into him for three years and leaving the body of Jesus at the time of crucifixion to return to the Father in heaven.

    Have you read all of the Gospel of John? And if Jesus was just another man who received that Holy Spirit how to do explain his virgin birth of Mary? And this too is not a Roman Catholic teaching just read the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.

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  14. Gabriel

    ok so you think christ was a man by nature and God by nature? how is that possible? can a square be called a square and a circle at the same time?

    explain 1 corinthians chapter 8 verses 5 and 6 plz...

    5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

    6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    notice it sais ONE GOD, THE FATHER in verse 6,not God the father son and holy spirit! and ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST! Jesus is Lord not God!

    Jesus is not God! he can be called God as can other beings like angels and even humans as stated in

    psalms 82:6
    6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    we can also be called gods but there is a God of gods and that is God the father and one Lord Jesus Christ!!! Jesus was a man!

    Gabriel

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    1. but the scripture says the way to tell if the teaching is demonic.....they would deny that ...............
      "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God." There's one thing demons will inevitably deny in all their demonic systems, and that is they will deny the deity of Jesus Christ. They will deny God in human flesh. In a word, they deny the incarnation. So let’s make this very clear -the spirit of anti-christs’ number one mission is to get mankind to believe the lie that Jesus was just another man,.........and SJF teaches that Jesus was just a profit

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  15. Gabriel, don't waste your time with Chris or anyone else. These people still have that veil that the Apostol Paul speaks in 2 Corinthians 3:14. I see a lot of contradictions this Chris speaks about in many of his blogs. Satan has him in his grip as long as he wants to be contenscious about LLDM teachings. I wonder if he still goes to church?

    -Isaias

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  16. Gabriel, don't waste your time with Chris or anyone else. These people still have that veil that the Apostol Paul speaks in 2 Corinthians 3:14. I see a lot of contradictions this Chris speaks about in many of his blogs. Satan has him in his grip as long as he wants to be contenscious about LLDM teachings. I wonder if he still goes to church?

    -Isaias

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  17. gabriel

    anonymous from may 16

    its not that i think i am wasting time! i just see these people write blogs lying about our church! if a person writes a blog they should be accurate dont you think so

    Gabriel

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  19. http://www.scribd.com/doc/184688527/La-Luz-Del-Mundo-Women-s-Rights-Protest-March-12-21-13

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  20. http://loveforugly.blogspot.com/2012/01/finding-truth-in-midst-of-deceit.html?showComment=1387945023663#c413802251154750866

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  21. http://www.scribd.com/doc/202570373/Church-Ranch-Transferred-to-Leader-s-Children

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  25. http://www.scribd.com/doc/209607068/La-Luz-Del-Mundo-Church-Criminal-Investigation

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  29. http://www.scribd.com/doc/218899715/La-Luz-Del-Mundo-Properties-Directors

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  30. Samuel isn't dying of cancer as his family has said for some time. He has aids.

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  32. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/law-enforcements-responses-ogle-ogles-replies-scott-ogle?trk=mp-reader-card

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