August 13, 2009

True Doctrines of La Luz Del Mundo


The Primary Doctoral Teaching of " La Luz del Mundo"

Is that our Lord Jesus Christ needs to have an apostle or a "man of God" here on earth in order that mankind can receive salvation, and that salvation for man stopped with the death of last apostle, John, in approximately the year 100 a.d., and that the age of salvation did not continue again until the year 1926 by the restoring of a self proclaimed "man of God" by the name of Eusebio Flores which he later changed to Aaron Joaquin Flores, father of the present day leader of "La Luz Del Mundo" Samuel Joaquin Flores for the past 40 years.

This link will take you to YouTube video titled - La Luz Del Mundo- Angel De Dios

It will show to you a video with the main theme song for La Luz Del Mundo singing of Samuel Joaquine a "angel of God" of the Book of Revelation (Rev 10:1-7).

If this is true and Samuel Joaquine is the angel as recorded in (Rev 10) then all of Jesus Christ's revelation as recorded by the last apostle, John, is a lie starting with chapter 6 and the opening of the seven seals, the sealing of 144,000 from all of the 12 tribes of Israel, the sounding of the seven trumpets and all of the great woes as recorded in chapters 8 and 9.

I am sure all of us on the face of the earth would agree that mankind has not witness any such woes ever in the past nor present.

What follows is a list of the primary doctoral teachings of La Luz Del Mundo.

#1 - “The man of God is the life of our souls”.

#2 - “The will of God is hidden. The door is closed to every body except “the man of God.”

#3 - “The world believes that the truth of God and the mystery is revealed to all man kind. The Light of the World does not believe that. We believe that the mysteries are revealed to “the man of God” and then to us.”

#4 - “The man of God”, has taught the Light of the World that we must have a man of God on earth for salvation” and Samuel Joaquin Flores is that man”.

#5 - “The high priest is the servant of God, Samuel Joaquin.”

#6 - “Samuel Joaquin intercedes for us and by his prayers we are free from sin, he intercedes for us to Jesus Christ. He will give us life in the apostle Samuel Joaquin with the authority of Jesus Christ, he (Samuel) prays for our sins.”

#7 - “The Holy Bible is powerless with out the apostle, Samuel Joaquin. It is through him that he intercedes for us to Jesus for our sins.”

#8 - “It is Samuel Joaquin who only knows the true will of God. If man wants salvation he must know and believe in the one that has been chosen for salvation, through choosing “the man of God, Samuel Joaquin.”

#9 - “Samuel Joaquin will tell us what we need for salvation. We must believe in him the chosen one.”

#10 - “Why do we talk so much of Samuel Joaquin? Because our salvation is in him only.”

#11 - “We (The Light of the World) say that there is a man of God on earth for salvation now and he is the servant of God for our salvation, Samuel Joaquin.”

#12 - “Wisdom of God is not found by faith in Christ’s Spirit to teach or by the Bible, but only by the word of Samuel Joaquin the chosen one.”

#13 - “It is not enough to believe in just Jesus Christ. We must believe in the one sent of God, the man Samuel Joaquin.”

#14 - “The world has taken upon them selves to preach the gospel of God without a man of God’s authority. They are wrong. You will not enter heaven without the authority of the man of God, the apostle Samuel Joaquin.”

In future postings I will take each one of these doctrines and compare them against the Holy Scriptures.

265 comments:

  1. christopher: i think that the fact that you study the bible by your self is what affected you, because the blible says that the the letters kill if you translate them by yourself. so i feel bad about you :( but oh well hopefully you dont coninue that or else you are going to hurt yourself for not saying that you are already hurt maybe by a member of the church and you are so angry that you cannot see the difference between god and the world stuff, thats what messes you up, and hopefully you dont get mad by my comment because im just saying the truth. in yoour case it seems to be that the doctrine of the church is just a rock for to you fell off the track you were on instead of helping you serve god.

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  2. Dear Anonymous,

    I thank you for your comments and yours response is the same that I have been hearing for the past 6 years that I have been attending LLDM. And if you will take note of the date of my first posting is on August 13 of this year. I have been very diligently reading, and studying the Scriptures all the while continually praying for the Holy Spirit to guide me in His ways before I started this blog site.
    So with that said, my response to you is what are the Bible Scriptures that you can give to me to support your statement,

    "i think that the fact that you study the bible by your self is what affected you, because the blible says that the the letters kill if you translate them by yourself."

    What "letters" are you talking about?

    I would like to say that I have never been hurt by anyone from the church of LLDM. I have been always been treated nicely. Now many members, pastors and a few deacons have not responded well to my questions about the false gospel of Samuel Joaquin as started by his father, but personally I have no complaints what so every. As you read in my quote above. I am still attaining as a guest for the sake of my wife. Patiently waiting the day that the Holy Spirit will open her eyes to the lie that she has been taught all of her life.

    I would now like to give to you Scriptures that support the fact that the Bible teaches individuals, who in faith in the name of Jesus Christ, will receive teaching by the Holy Spirit when they study the Scripture for themselves while calling on the name of the Lord and not an earth man or high priest.

    (Acts 17:11)
    "...the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

    Here Paul is very happy that the Bereans were studying the Scriptures on their own to see if what he was telling them, that salvation was through Jesus Christ was the truth or not. No one but themselves were reading the Scriptures here.

    Dr. Luke, the author of Acts, did not record that Paul had to teach to them what the Scriptures were saying before they believed the message of salvation through Jesus Christ. Dr. Luke clearly states that they "with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

    This is the “testing the spirits” as John the church in (1 John 4:1-3).

    Take a look at this verse -

    (1 John 2:27)
    "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

    So here is John, of the first disciples of Jesus Christ, telling us that we "do not need anyone to teach you." John is in no way telling anyone that they most only be taught by him or any other Apostle of Jesus Christ. In this passage the "anointing" is the Holy Spirit from "him" Jesus Christ is doing all of the teaching.

    Christ had promised to send the Holy Spirit to teach his followers and to remind them of all that Christ had taught (John 14:26). Christians are those who believe in the name of Jesus Christ alone (John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Romans 10:9) and have the promise of the Holy Spirit within him ("the anointing') to keep them from going astray.

    Christians have the God-inspired Scriptures, against which we can test questionable teachings. To stay true to Christ, we must follow his Word and his Spirit, not the teachings of men who say that they only know the true will of God and must only lisen to them for truth and salvation, such as with Samuel Joaquin or even the Pope.

    With all Love in the Lord Jesus Christ - Please allow the Holy Spirit to help you learn the difference between the truth and from error and false teachings.

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  3. I see it now! Wow! Totally the contrary to the real apostle Paul encouraging us to examine the scriptures daily! Anonymous... who told you the "letters" can kill you? Whoever did is feeding you lies, my friend.

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  4. Hello I love the lord and if you do to I would recommand believing in christ just as it is in the bible not the fack profet sent by the devil.

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  5. Anonymous - if you are the same Anonymous, I love the Lord Jesus Christ with all of my heart! So much so that to die is to be with Christ in heaven. If you truly love the Lord as much as you say you do, then only LOVE HIM and look only to HIM. He is the only way to heaven and not through one else only Him!

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  6. Actualy I come from the other site la luz del mundo founded on lies. I have a problome my mother in law dose not want to see me or my husband because I do not like the apostil for all the lies and the brain washin what do you recomand in my situation? by the way are you the same chris from the other site? if so that is so ausome.

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  7. just a suggestion, you should get a blog done in spanish too so that the spanish people would read all of this. Incase you havent already.

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  8. Dear Su,

    Thank you for taking the time to come over to this blog site. God's Blessings you and and your husband and yes I am the same Christopher of the other blog site.

    Question, was your husband raised in the church and is still a believer in the faith of LLDM and Samuel Joaquin?

    You stated that his mother does not want anything to do with the both of you, but you said that it is because "You" do not like the apostle. So I am thinking that she is trying to punish her son for marring a nonbeliever of Samuel Joaquin and the doctrine of LLDM.

    I am asking this question because depending on rather your husband is still a believer in LLDM will help me to answer your question. I will assume for the moment that he is still a believer and you are in the same situation that I am in, married to a born-raise believer of LLDM.

    Of course you will have to continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to bring peace to your heart as to what will be the best course of action for you.

    So write me back and let me know which way it is for you, just you or both of you.

    Oh and I have been thinking about translating this blog to spanish, but I have been hesitant to do so because I do not speak or write spainish. Therefore it would be very difficult for me to witness for the Lord. I have also found over the past number of years that memebers with whom I have regualer contact with speak both english and spanish very well. But based off of your suggestion, I will reconsider this ideal.

    Peace and Love in your Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

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  9. Hi chris
    ok my husband read the bible with me and found that the only way of salvation is threw the bood of Jesus christ. He was born in the church but never paid attention, and when he noticed people bowing down for the apostil he sad that he had never felt anything for the apostil. His sister said the same thing that they told her she needs to have faith in order to believe in the apostil, she prayed on it and God never let her feel any thing for him.
    There is a new paster at the church and he found out that I was trying to warn every one about the apostil and that he is not from God. He decided to tell her to never see me again, she told my husband she did not want to see me but him and the kids are fine. My husband told her that we are one and that is not going to happin. He asked her if she dose not care about all of the things he had dun for her and she did not seem to care at that moment, she did not care that he is her own flesh and blood of corse she did not want to see us all in person she told him on the phone. By the way I think that Colin on the other site can speack spanish and if you ask I bet you he would love to translate for you, he is still on the other site La luz del mundo founded on lies.

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  10. Su,

    It is with great Joy in my heart to read that it is also your husband who has the truth of Jesus Christ in his heart! And that he is taking a stand as a "man of God" in supporting your marriage and family.

    This reaction is very common with any type of cult that controls its memebers by intimidation. Your husband's mother is taking yours and your husband's rejection of the faith of LLDM personal and therefore she sees it as you are rebeling against her personally. And since LLDM faith is based on personal emotions and not a Christ centered Love lead by the Holy Spirit but a spirit of antichrist, you will be met with scorne and redicule.

    You are very fortunate in that your family as a whole may find a true Bible teaching congregation to worship the Lord Jesus Christ. All you can do at this point is pray that someday, if his mother is truely a lost sheep of the Shepard Jesus Christ, she will come to hear his voice and stop lisening to the voice of a false shepard.

    Always have a good and caring heart when ever you and your family find yourselves around your mother-in-law and/or any other memebers of LLDM. Just as the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Peter instructions us to (1 Peter 3:15-16).

    Are you and your family attending a Bible based, Christ centered church?

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  11. yes we are I am know teaching at a christen church as well. The thing is that she wants me to stop talking about there church am I suppose to just not mention it to her and her familly?

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  12. Su,

    It is very good to read that you and your family are attainding a bible based Christ centered church.

    The recommendation that I have for you is to continue to let your life be a testimony to your husband's mother. Show only love and compation towards her as well as any member of LLDM that you may come across. If they do not want to talk that is OK. Jesus never forced himself onto anyone and nor did he teach his disciples to do force the Kingdom of God onto anyone.

    She has made it known openly that she does not want to talk about anything biblical that does not support the faith of LLDM and Samual Joaquin as required for salvation. The fact that her own son has rejected the false teaching of LLDM is a very loud testimony for Christ Jesus and salvation through his name alone and in no one else under heaven here on earth. (Acts 4:12)

    Now that I know a bit more of the picture in your life, I find it intersesting that your mother-in-law has stated that she does not want anything to do with you, but it is her own son that has rejected LLDM doctrine on his own I assume even before you came into his life.

    So this leads me to think that you are now just a scape goat for her to place her anger and not onto her son after all of his life not accepting Samuel Joaquin as his savior. Why else would she say that she will continue to see him and your kids but not you.

    Again I am over joyed for you that your husband is standing up for his family and showing to his mother that he understands very well the scriptures, 'a man will leave his parants and cleave onto his wife and the two shall be one'.

    Praise and Glory to our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

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  13. Thank you chris
    She dose not have a problom with her son because he stays quiet about her church. I am the only one calling the main paster, and talking to everyone about the apostil and the church, she dose not see it as simply trying to help her and her familly she sees it as me making fun of the church and the apostil, and the paster convinced her that because I am not a believer of the apostil I am the devil.

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  14. wow. I read what you & su said. As a member of LLDM, I respect your beliefs as I hope you respect mine as well, but let me clarify a few things. We do NOT bow down to the Apostle Samuel Joaquin. We honor him and love him for what he has done in/outside of the church. We do NOT adore him. ONLY God & Jesus Christ are to be adored. The Apostle Samuel Joaquin HIMSELF has taught us NEVER to bow down to him or ANYONE but God. (one time a woman [member of the church] saw him in person and was so filled with joy she kneeled at his presence, & he told her to get up and to NEVER do that again, because that is wrong in God's eyes).
    Another thing, the reason why you do not feel anything for the Apostle Samuel Joaquin is because unfortunately, the faith does not exist in your heart. I want to tell you part of my story so that you can understand what really happens when one sees the Apostle. Before that, let me tell you that when we (LLDM), cry of joy when we see him, it is not because of his physical appearance, nor because he is simply Samuel Joaquin, but because we know WHAT he is, an Apostle, and who is guided by, the Holy Spirit.
    I grew up in a pentecostal church (my father's family), while visiting LLDM every now and then (my mom). To make a long story short, I liked LLDM more than the other church because it had a true doctrine. However, I did not always believe in the Apostle, Samuel Joaquin Flores. I never prayed for him because i thought i should only believe in Jesus. (not that he needs our prayers,because God is with him, but because it is a blessing we earn from God).
    Only until recently, when the faith grew within me, did I recognize who he really is and accepted his authority. I decided to go to Guadalajara for the Holy Supper after having been baptized, and received the Holy Spirit, to see for myself what everyone feels when they see him. I must admit, I was scared, because in the bible it says that this faith is not for everyone, and i thought to myself, what happens if i don't feel anything? Would this mean I'm not chosen to be a part of God's people? So one day while there, I had heard that he was coming from the church nearby on his way home and decided i should stand there and wait to see him in person for the first time. Honest to God, I hadn't even seen his face (in person) yet, when i felt something so amazing, so unexplainable within me. This joy brought tears to my eyes. This joy is something so unique and so wonderful, that my simple words cannot explain it. I felt something inside of me jump up and down from the joy. I think that is when it really hit me, this is truly God's work.

    If there were apostles many many years ago, what makes you think there couldn't be one today? (I don't recall the text, but it says something similar to 'what there was yesterday, there will be today/tomorrow")

    Realize that back then, people didn't believe them (apostles) either, and now that we have one here thanks to God, why wouldn't you take advantage of that and strive for your salvation? (take a look at Acts 13:47)
    We (LLDM) say that we can obtain salvation through the Apostle Samuel Joaquin, because believing that he was sent by God is one of the first steps to obtain salvation. How can you say you believe in Jesus if you never saw him, but you can't believe an Apostle who you CAN physically see alive today?? When you believe in the man God has sent, you are believing in Jesus Christ too, even though you have never seen him. When you believe in Jesus Christ, you are believing in who has sent HIM. Who sent Jesus? God. Who sent Samuel? God. (you can relate the latter to John 3:17-18 & Matthew 10:40)

    This is all I have to say for tonight. May God truly bless you, may the faith grow within you, and may the peace and the grace of the Lord reside in each of your hearts.

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  15. p.s. to this comment above ^^
    sorry I didn't put my name, I don't have an account here and have no idea how this works, but fyi it's not the same anon. as what I read at the top of the page.
    - Jay

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  16. Dear Jay

    Thank you for taking time to make a posting here with your thoughts and I wish to say from the bottom of my heart thank you for coming here in a kind heart. A heart that seems to be open and willing to sincerely discus your faith in Samuel. I praise the Holy Spirit for leading your here.

    I would like to place a though out for you to consider. God nor his Son, Jesus Christ, ever said to us, mankind, that we most only go by our feelings or blind faith. Jesus Christ said to the Pharisees in Matt 22:29 "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God."

    Jesus Christ is not telling Pharisees to just believe what he is saying about him being God. He is telling them that their faith in Moses in the Law for salvation has blinded them to the truth, and that truth was that the Scriptures were teaching the Hebrews that Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation John 3:16, John 14:6 and not by the Law or through Moses.

    And with the Apostle Paul in Acts 17:10-11 "10As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

    And again Apostle Paul instructing Timothy that all Scripture is from God 2Timothy 3:15-17 "15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

    Oh and when Paul says "man of God" he is not talking about neither himself nor any of the other Apostles. He is saying that any man who studies the word of God by faith in Jesus Christ is a "man of God".

    So my point in this is that your story of faith as well as many other members, pastors and deacons that I have had the pleasure to talk with testify to only of their faith and feelings about Samuel Joaquin for salvation, and this is not what God the Father, Lord Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit through the Apostles of Jesus Christ, have said that faith is from.

    "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17

    With all Love in Christ Jesus, I say to you Jay, follow the path of the Bereans and not the way of the Pharisees which is to blindly follow a faith that is only based on your emotions and how good something or someone makes you feel. In Paul’s letter to the Romans is he telling them that faith comes through him? No. He is very simply and clearly stating to the Romans, as well as to us, that faith is only by hearing the word of Christ -the word of God- which is the Holy Bible.

    You cited Acts 13:47 “I have made you a light for the Gentiles that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.” This verse comes from Isaiah 49:6 which is telling us about the coming of the Messiah–Christ.

    Paul in quoting this verse is not saying that he is the light and is bring salvation. Paul is testifying first the Hebrews who rejected the Christ, and now to the Gentiles that the one whom he is testifying of, Jesus Christ, and that Jesus Christ is the light and the way of salvation to the Gentiles and not just to the Hebrews. Paul was showing them proof from the Old Testament that God’s plan of salvation always included non-Hebrews, people not from the blood of Abraham, and that the Hebrews were lying to the rest of the world that salvation, from the one true God, was only for them. This just blew the minds of the Gentiles because until this moment in time the Gentiles only knew of gods that did not care about saving mankind!

    With all Love in Jesus Christ as powered by the Holy Spirit, Amen.

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  17. Jay,

    I would like to further comment on your statement,

    "If there were apostles many many years ago, what makes you think there couldn't be one today? (I don't recall the text, but it says something similar to 'what there was yesterday, there will be today/tomorrow")"

    (Hebrews 13:8)
    "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

    I absolutely believe that if God the Father through his Son Jesus Christ wanted to have Apostles here on earth today He will do so. I do not dispute this. What I am disputing is since "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." a man who self proclaims himself an "Apostle of Jesus Christ" should be exactly the same as the original 13 Apostles were.

    Jay, none of the original 13 Apostles of Jesus Christ lived such a life style that Samuel leads they even shunned such gifts, or preached the gospel that Samuel preaches - that salvation is found through a "man of God" and only if a "man of God" is here on earth, starting on April 6, 1926!

    You cited a verse from the book of Hebrews which I posted here for you. I just ask of you to continue to be open in your heart and mind to read the entire book of Hebrews. It is not a sin for you to study the very word of God for yourself. God loves you and gave it as a gift for your.

    Image if you received a letter in the mail and the mail man said to you, "Open it. It will change your life." Now, you live in a home with someone and they are the owner of that home, but they do not work and let you stay in their home so long as your work and pay the bills and feed them. This owner recognizes the letter and knows immediately that it contains a check for one million dollars. Now they know if you listen to the mailman and open the letter you are not going to want to stay there providing for every need of theirs. So you listen to the owner that you have come to believe in about how every letter that comes from the mail man is evil. So you don’t open it, but you just carry it around with you all of the time and just read the out side of it.

    This is what LLDM has taught their members to do just carry the Bible around and only read what little verses and passages they tell you to and if you read more you will not understand it and you will misinterpreted them and evil will come into your life.

    The following statements come from the 2008 Holy Supper convention.

    “Wisdom of God is not found by faith in Christ’s Spirit to teach or by the Bible, but only by the word of Samuel Joaquin the chosen one.”

    “The Holy Bible is powerless with out the apostle, Samuel Joaquin. It is through him that he intercedes for us to Jesus for our sins.”

    “It is Samuel Joaquin who only knows the true will of God. If man wants salvation he must know and believe in the one that has been chosen for salvation, through choosing “the man of God, Samuel Joaquin.”

    After you have read these statement from LLDM and if you truly believe in your heart that they are true and accurate, than your faith is solid in Samuel Joaquin and I can only hope that someday you will come to hear the voice of the truth Shepherd.

    (John 10:14-16)
    "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

    With all Love in Christ Jesus, Amen.

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  18. Christopher,
    I might have not expressed myself well enough for you to understand what I meant. When I told you my story, I didn't mean that my faith was based on the emotions I felt. The faith had grown within me before I saw the Apostle. Seeing, him, or better said, "feeling" this feeling as he passed me by, was the icing on the cake, in lamest terms. I had gone to church (LLDM) many many times before I actually was a part of it myself. I had many doubts, so I listened very carefully to every service, I questioned everything I doubted and I got answers that explained everything in depth. In LLDM no one has ever told me that I cannot read the bible on my own. On the contrary, as members, we are encouraged to study the bible. However, we are told to be in constant prayer and ask God for help in understanding His word so that we may not misinterpret it or read it in a literal way.The texts that are given to us in church are not the only ones we are "allowed" to read. What the Apostle Samuel preaches is not his word, but God's word. Apos. Samuel does not proclaim himself an apostle just because, I wish I could tell you the story behind how we came to know he truly is, but it is too long. I suggest, since you mentioned you are a visitor in LLDM, to ask for a book about it if you don't know the story already.
    I understand exactly where you are coming from when you wonder why Apos. Samuel is given such gifts so let me explain. These gifts are tokens of our appreciating for what he has done for us. We love him because he teaches us the right way to live, loving our brothers and sisters, being good samaritans, he teaches us the way that God wants us to live. He has taught us that God wants us to live in peace with one another, to follow the right path and fight the temptations. He has taught us to do good deeds for God, to be humble, honest in every sense of the word, starting from the way we dress,behave,speak, etc. He prays for our sins to be forgiven and for God to be merciful with us. He asks God to punish him for OUR sins, and not us. That is why he has been sick so many times. Thank God he still has life, and can continue to lead us in the right direction, the way God wants us to live. For that and much more we give him gifts, if it is in our reach, as tokens of appreciation. Even those gifts that we give him, even the money we send his way, he uses it not for some fancy meal, or an expensive vacation, or any worldly pleasures, but for the church itself and all the people. There are many people in LLD who are in need of food and clothing. Apos. Samuel sends money for them to have their everyday bread. He has opened hospitals and universities for the well-being of the church in mind. Many doctors have told him to stop leading the church and to just go to a nice island and retire, but in his great love for us and even greater love for God, he remains with us and continues to do what God orders him to do. Like he says (and has taught us), nothing in this world can satisfy our soul the way God does. Nothing in this world can make him, or us want to leave God and his unconditional love.
    The Apostle Samuel's prayers reach God's ears and God listens. God is merciful and gives us the peace and love in our lives that Apos. Samuel begged for us to have. For all of this and more, we love him, and appreciate him. If this weren't God's servant, and just another man proclaiming lies, God would have already brought him and his followers down. But to this day, we have life, we have love, we have God by our side.
    You said that apos.Samuel would have to be like the original 13 apostles? Some of those apostles betrayed Jesus Christ. Can you be more specific as to what you meant?

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  19. (continued from above)

    I know you have doubts, because I did too; I know it is difficult to understand that Samuel Joaquin is God's Apostle, but please take the following as a kind suggestion...
    Pray to the Lord with all your heart. Open your heart to him and let him in. Ask him, BEG him to show you the way. The most important thing for you right now is that you believe in God and his son Jesus Christ. With that, BEG him to have mercy on you, to open your eyes. Tell him honestly, that you do not believe in Samuel Joaquin, but you want to know if he is truly God's servant. Beg God to give you a sign, any type of sign, to prove that Samuel Joaquin is really sent by God. If you believe in God, which I know you do, then you KNOW God WILL let you know the truth. He will steer you in the right direction.
    Until then, keep trusting the Lord, keep going to church and continue begging God to let you know whether or not Samuel Joaquin is his Apostle.
    May God bless you, and may the peace and the grace of the Lord reside in your heart.
    -Jay

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  20. Dear Jay,

    Thank you for returning with your comment. Your request for me to continue to pray for faith in Samuel Joaquin is very heart felt. Yours is one of the most honest and loving requests that I have received since coming into the world of LLDM in over six years. I thank you for not being confrontational with your faith in Samuel Joaquin. I do want to make sure that you understand. I have no doubts as to who Samuel Joaquin is and what gospel his preaching.

    To answer your question about the original 13 Apostles, I was referring to the 11 + Matthias (Acts 1:23) and of course Paul (Acts 9). Judas was the only in to betray Jesus and the book of Acts, the history of the church, does not refer to Judas as an Apostle.

    Jay, said in your last comment post "Tell him honestly, that you do not believe in Samuel Joaquin, but you want to know if he is truly God's servant. Beg God to give you a sign, any type of sign, to prove that Samuel Joaquin is really sent by God."

    I would like to say that God has given me a sign and that sign is his Holy Word the Bible. And His sign has yet to point me to Samuel Joaquin for salvation. So of the original 13 Apostles, not to included Judas, none of them ever testified, preached, or taught that salvation was here on earth through them and because of them.

    The only way that I could begin to believe in Samuel Joaquin and that I must believe that he is my way for salvation, would be have a faith that is not based on the word of God. I would be calling my Lord Jesus Christ a liar, because he has clearly told us the he is the only way (John 4:14).

    This blog site that I have opened is my testimony to over six years of praying, studying and searching for the truth. I assure you I am not just a visitor who has attained a few Sunday schools and talked with a few members. I have been regularly attaining over these six years, I have attained the past 2 Holy Suppers in San Bernardino. I have even been to the Provinca and for a whole week sat in the translation section of the church which is but 100 feet away from the pulpit where Samuel preached.

    Jay would you mind reading one of my other postings here on this blog site? It is titled "What does La Luz Del Mundo Teach Who Jesus Christ Is?”. Go to the Blog archive section on the right side of the page and click on the October tape. You will see a list of postings of which this one is one of them. After reading it please let me know what you think.

    God's blessing to you,

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  21. Hi jay
    you sound like a good person reaching out to God.In your prayers jay, instead of praying please Lord let me know the apostle pray this, in the name of Jesus Christ I ask you to show me the truth lead me Lord God and show me your true ways. Always have an open eye and please read the new testament the whole entire thing and the lord will lead you to the truth. God bless you and please read the page that Chris would like you to go in and check out.

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  22. Jay,
    With the love of our Lord Jesus Christ, greetings to you.

    I give praise to God for allowing the Holy Spirit to lead you to this website. Christopher has done a marvelous job in compiling this site. And, unlike many LLDM followers, you seem to respond respectfully.

    I would just like to comment briefly one of the comments you made:
    You said that you offer your gifts to Samuel because he prays for the punishment for your sins to fall upon him. What was Christ praying for when they nailed Him to the cross, for he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Wouldn't you consider this a prayer for the punishment of the world's sins to fall upon Christ so that all people would have forgiveness? Please read Hebrews chapter 10, which makes it clear that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was the punishment for the sins of all people. It was a sacrifice which was made once for all. Do you believe that Samuel is a perfect man who has never sinned himself? If not, then what good would come from him bearing the punishment of your sins. By believing Samuel will take the punishment for your sins, what you are really saying is that Christ's sacrifice was not good enough. In a sense, you are treating the blood of Jesus, which sanctified you, as an unholy thing. "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"(Hebrews 10:29)

    Revelation 2:2 instructs that we are to test the claims of those who say they are apostles. Please, read the entire New Testament independent from LLDM guidance, because there are certain qualifications and signs which mark a true apostle. I have tested Samuel's claims against them, and I have no doubts that he fails miserably.

    Please read the entire Bible for yourself, Jay. God's blessings to you. I will leave you with something the apostle Paul wrote about men like Samuel:

    "I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles." I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.
    Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do! And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."(2 Corinthians 11:1-15)

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  23. To add to what I wrote above, Jay, you also wrote something that is the common thinking of LLDM members I've encountered. And it is not uncommon of people who have not prayerfully studied Bible prophecy.

    "If this weren't God's servant, and just another man proclaiming lies, God would have already brought him and his followers down."

    Respectfully, I recommend that you prayerfully study the prophecies of the book of Daniel and Revelation. These books both make it clear that the antichrist, who is the servant of satan, will be allowed to take control of the entire world. All of the world's economic, political, military, and religious power will be united under the antichrist. Satan through this means will rise and grow in power, and will not be destroyed until Jesus returns to the earth to destroy evil, and take control of the whole world away from the antichrist and set up His eternal kingdom.

    Please read Daniel and Revelation together, and pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you.

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  24. Why dont you post verses from the bible that support this faith as well. And give people the chance to chose salvation. Your only living in blindness. Su needs to see the truth as well.

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  25. Dear Anonymous (11/08),

    Thank you for taking the time to begin to read this blog site and it is my sincere hope in Jesus Christ that you will be welling to continue to read more of the postings that I have here as well. I give all praise to the Holy Spirit for bring you here.

    To responded to your question on posting verses that support the faith of LLDM, I have cited them, what few there are, through out my blog site as needed. One of which is here on this first posting page (Rev 10:1-7). This passage is used by LLDM to support their belief that the Apostle John was telling the future world of the coming of Samuel Joaquin as "the angel of God." I will not rewrite in this comment about how this is not possible because I have already done so on this posting.

    Here is a list of the other Scripture references that LLDM uses to support faith in Samuel Joaquin.

    2. (Matt 10:40) "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me."

    3. (John 6:29) "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

    4. (Acts 10:44) "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message."

    5. (Acts 13:47)"...I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth."

    6. (Hebrews 5:4) "No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was."

    After six years of attending LLDM, talking with not only pastors (8) and deacons (4) this list is all that has been given to me! I would like to point out to you that all of these are only one single verse cities and are not the whole context of the either the chapter or book from which they are taken from. All other citings to support Samuel Joaquin and salvation through him are only “statements of faith” of which most of them I have posted here.

    A good example of LLDM using Scripture out of context is with (Acts 13:47) which is a direct citing by Paul from Isaiah 55:3. In the book of Isaiah the prophet is being inspired to write about the future Messiah (Jesus Christ) and that the Messiah is going to bring salvation not only to the Jews but the Gentiles as well.

    Just so you know a "Gentile" is anyone not born of Hebrew blood from Abraham. This includes members of LLDM. LLDM likes to refer to anyone not a member of LLDM as "Gentile". This is not the correct usage of the term. Unless you are of Hebrew blood, you are a Gentile and if you are a Christian you are a “Christian Gentile”. If you are of Hebrew blood then you are a “Christian Jew”.

    So when Paul citied (Isaiah 55:3) when he was talking to the Gentiles in Antioch he was showing them that God had already promised to bring salvation to Gentiles hundreds of years before the Christ came. The Antioch Jews were telling the Antioch Gentiles that only Jews would be saved by Jesus Christ, which was a lie and Paul proved this by citing Isaiah 55:3. Paul was not saying to the Gentiles that he was light and the way of salvation for them, the Gentiles, but it is the Lord Jesus Christ!

    If you read only the one verse that is given then anyone can make to state what ever they want it to mean to support their own beliefs or faith. But if read the verse in it’s context to the chapter, the book, or even the whole Bible you will get from it exactly what the Holy Spirit wants you to get from it and not what anyone else tells you.

    I hope that this is of help to you. May the Lord’s peace in his truth be with you.

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  26. Anonymous,
    If you were asking me to cite the Bible references to support that lies will prosper and evil men or antichrists, or the final antichrist will be allowed to rule the world until the time of the end when Christ returns to the earth, the following is just one of many passages in the prophets which illuminate this fact:
    "In the latter period of their rule,
    When the transgressors have run their course,
    A king will arise,
    Insolent and skilled in intrigue.
    "His power will be mighty, but not by his own power,
    And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree
    And prosper and perform his will;
    He will destroy mighty men and the holy people.
    "And through his shrewdness
    He will cause deceit to succeed by his influence;
    And he will magnify himself in his heart,
    And he will destroy many while they are at ease.
    He will even oppose the Prince of princes,
    But he will be broken without human agency."(Daniel 8:23-25)

    Christopher, thank you very much for your website and for continuing to inform your readers about how Samuel magnifies himself and causes deceit to succeed.

    God's blessings to all of you.

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  27. Christopher,

    I am a former member of "La Luz del Mundo" movement.

    I can not call it CHURCH because of my experience in it.

    I was born in La Luz del Mundo, my parents, grandparents and grand-grandparents were members too.

    I grew up in La Luz del Mundo and I was part of the exclusive group of "inconditionals" as Samuel Joaquin called us.

    I was married "unconditionally" which means that i did not choose my wife but Samuel.

    Years later, my wife confessed to me that she was raped by Samuel days before our marriage and that he put a curse upon her (to be condemned for ever) if she would dare to tell her future husband or anybody what happend! That what happend was a blessing not something pecaminous.

    Being very close to Samuel Joaquin and his family, I saw a lot of the atrocities that he was accused of, and belive me, what were exposed in the media in 1997 is not even half of the corruption and perversion of this self-proclaimed "apostle" of God.

    I live now in Houston and I have been witness of the behaviour of the first born son of Samuel Joaquin, Benjamin Joaquin Garcia. Same vices, same corruption and same greed!

    I can not say that I haven't been hurt by Samuel Joaquin. I feel anger, but specially I feel impotent to rip off the grip of La Luz del Mundo on my family.

    Please continue to uncover the real face of La Luz del Mundo and his corrupt "Royal Family".

    My blessing and prays are in your favor.
    I pray God for JUSTICE!

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  28. Dear Frank,

    God's peace to you through our Lord Jesus Christ and Savior. I give all praise to the Holy Spirit for guiding you here and I pray that this blog site's information will be of help to you and to your own personal ministry to the truth about LLDM and to its false aposlet, Samuel Joaquin.

    The strenght of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is at work in you with you being so willing to personally testify of your first hand accounting of your life in LLDM. Myself as well as a number of others who have publicly professed that LLDM is a false church under the authority of a false apostle. Here is another blog site that I had the great pleasure to witness at as well as on my own site.

    http://www.oscarnuno.com/2009/07/11/religion/la-luz-del-mundo-a-church-founded-on-lies/comment-page-1/

    This blog site by Oscar has received a great deal of response from current members of LLDM and I know that your personal testimony would be a great help.

    In regards to the corruption, abuses and sexual imoratlities, I do have a number of reports and articules on the issues and all of them have to do with the demonic control that Samuel has over LLDM. I even have infomration on a Ranch in Texas the "Silver Wolf Ranch" the personal play ground of the Joaquin family. Do you know anything about this place yourself?

    God be with you and all glory to our Lord Jesus Christ.

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  29. According to the Word of God, in the Gospels when Jesus sent legion into the herd of pigs, in Revelation, in Daniel, throughout it is clear that even the binding and releasing of demons is at the command of God. I would like to ask all who are willing to join me in continuing to pray for God to bind up the demons that hold Samuel Joaquin and all of his loyal followers.

    I have reassurance from the Bible that one day the false gospels and the apostate churches such as LLDM will one day fall. Please also pray that God lift the veil of lies that cover many more of our beloved soon.

    "Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    "Come out of her, my people,
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    5for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.
    6Give back to her as she has given;
    pay her back double for what she has done.
    Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
    7Give her as much torture and grief
    as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
    In her heart she boasts,
    'I sit as queen; I am not a widow,
    and I will never mourn.'
    8Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
    death, mourning and famine.
    She will be consumed by fire,
    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."(Revelation 18:4-8)

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  30. Of course I have knowledge of "The Silver Wolf Ranch" of the Joaquin Family!

    They have also a similar property in the outskirts of Redlands, CA, by the Timoteo Canyon Rd., it is called Rancho "Ebenezer", how ironic! They have properties in resort areas like Big Bear, CA.

    I have sensitive information that would lead to the investigation and eventual arrest of Samuel Joaquin Flores. However as you should know, It is not easy to trust anybody after being witnessed the power and influence of this corrupt family in both countries, Mexico and USA!

    However, I hope God would bring him down to justice and the congregation of LLDM could be rescued before is too late.

    I will be posting information as I recall it and I hope other (because there are hundreds) victims take courage reading your comments to denounce the felonies and blasphemies that they are experimenting in LLDM.

    God bless You,

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  31. Frank, God's Blessing to you and thank you for confirming for me excitence of the Texas Ranch. I know about the ranch in Redlands, but did not know about the one in Big Bear and I am not surprised. I am sure there is many more such properties out there for the Joaquin family enjoyment and investments.

    I see that you went over to Oscar's blog site and posted your testamony with additional responses. Thank you very much. As I mentioned before Oscar's blog site is receiving a great number of hits.

    Have you thought of starting your own blog site where you can begin to document your personal expriences with LLDM and Samuel Joaquin?

    May heart goes out to your wife for the pain that she must be feeling to this day. And I absolutly agree with you that it is the Lord our God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that will bring about the Great Plan.

    But the Scpirture does teach us that God the Father will bring about a great deciption to those who have chosen to be deceived by false apostles and false Christs.

    All we can do to preach the truth of Jesus Christ, our savior, and salvation through him and that he was not just a man with great words who only had a the Spirit in him, but that he is the very God in the flesh sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven to this very day! (Hebrews).

    Grace and peace to you.

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  32. Hi Christopher:

    I have knowledge of many properties of the Joaquin's family like these:

    A 2 million dollars house in Via Almar, Palos Verdes, CA
    A hotel in Big Bear, CA
    A million dollars house in Las Vegas, NV
    A million dollars house in Miami, Fla.

    Etc., etc.

    It would be impossible to name all the properties of this family. They have properties in every place where a fairly big congregation of LLDM is stablished including Europe (Spain, France & Italy).

    This family is the owner of a Real State company in Guadalajara by the name of Rabin, S.A. de C.V. besides of being the owners of the only Travel Agency for LLDM, the only multimedia company, the only Hospital and the only "University Center" in Guadalajara.

    They argue that is because of their concern for the POOR, but anybody that has been in one of those institutions know that is FOR PROFIT! By profiting FROM THE POOR AND IGNORANT people of LLDM!

    The saddest matter is that EVERYTHING comes from the base of poor people of LLDM.

    Isn't preposterous that while Jesus GAVE FOOD TO THE POOR, this modern "apostle of Christ" as they called him, TAKES the money AND LIFE of the poor to enrich himself and his direct family?

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  33. Wow frank God blessed you and your family and the greatest thing that you might be proud of is that God blessed you with out having to worship the fake apostle Samuel. What type of church do you go to now or do you read the bible on your own now?

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  34. I'm attending regularly a Presbyterian Church.

    Although I have been at a Baptist Church services too because I like the way the pastor explains God's word.

    I also read the Bible on my own.

    I found a very interesting book I liked:

    The Prodigal God by Tim Keller

    I recommend it.

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  35. what is presbyterian exactly is it anything like being christen.

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  36. Grace be with you Sum,

    Here is a web link of a good Bible based web site that just about can answer any question that you may have about anything contected with Christianity or other reglions.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Presbyterians.html

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  37. Just as "Anonymous" has said:

    " He asks God to punish him for OUR sins, and not us. That is why he has been sick so many times. Thank God he still has life, and can continue to lead us in the right direction, the way God wants us to live."

    That is what a believed before I realized I was offending God with this way of thinking.

    As Christopher has been explaining, WE DO NOT NEED EITHER ANOTHER INTERCESSOR BETWEEN GOD AND US, NOR OTHER SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS. JESUS'S SACRIFICE IS ENOUGH FOR ALL MANKIND SINS.

    Besides this, in order to be worthy a sacrifice, he should be PERFECT, AND NOBODY IS PERFECT BUT GOD.

    Anonymous said that the "apostle has been sick several times because of his INTERCESSION.

    That is a big lie.

    When Samuel's son Asael had an accident in 1987, we were told that that accident happened because of our sins.

    Samuel Joaquin commented with his close helpers that "God has taken away my worst enemy", because he said that Asael was behaving like Absalon against David.

    Asael Joaquin discovered the double life of his father and begun to live a ruthless life. He knew that the women in "La Casa Grande" and in "Jerico 775" were not just servants or secretaries but the extended harem of his father. ASAEL EVEN TOOK ONE OF THESE WOMEN AS HIS MISTRESS, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIS FATHER.
    The woman was sent away from "Jerico 775" and now is married an lives in San Diego. I know the names of all of them.

    With this knowledge, Asael blackmailed his own father asking the share of his inheritance to start his own fortune and be wealthy.

    Samuel Joaquin gave Asael his share of wealth because he knew that his son was ruthless and capable of anything to get what he wanted.

    Therefore, was Asael's accident caused by the sins of the members of LLDM or was a payback for his own sins?

    Why Samuel never told this story to the members of LLDM?

    THIS IS THE REASON; TO EXPLOIT THE GUILT AND SORROW OF THE COMMONERS TO FULFILL HIS DESIRES.

    ASAEL CONTINUES TO LIVE, BUT HIS MENTAL ABILITIES ARE LIKE 30% OF A NORMAL PERSON, BECAUSE HE LOST MORE THAN 50% OF HIS BRAIN IN THE ACCIDENT.

    IS THIS THE BEHAVIOR OF A "SERVANT OF GOD"?

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  38. Frank,

    God grace to you through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Amazing! I knew of the accident but with this background information there is diffentlly grounds for motive here agains Samuel.

    I have said it before that this is a family business that is based on a "Mafia" business model of ruthless behavior, control to the point of torter and murder.

    It is my very personal opinion that Samuel may have had a hand in the unusal and sudden death of his father.

    As for Samuel's self pointed title of apostle, this does not equal what LLDM teaches that he is. An "apostle" is a messenger, but Samuel is taught as the being the message, the savior of the world.

    Members of LLDM are not giving him his full respect. Samuel should be titled "Christ"!

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  39. there are no public details listed explaining the death of Samuel's father Aaron Joaquin. All information published only says he died "under mysterious circumstances." I too believe that Samuel may have been involved somehow in his untimely and sudden death. Why? in order to establish his own glory and make his own fortune.(??Romans 10) Almost immediately Samuel began to expand worldwide after becoming apostle. The "church" will say it was to bring the gospel into the whole world, but in reality it was to maximize the fortune he builds for himself by exploiting lost souls.

    Samuel Joaquin does run LLDM as a mafia style family business; intimidating, threatening, and even (allegedly) attacking dissenters.

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  40. There is an urban legend in Guadalajara surrounding the death of Eusebio "Aaron" Joaquín, father of Samuel.

    The legend puts Eusebio being shot in one "cantina" located in the old road to Saltillo toward "Los Camachos" by a jealous patron that did not like Eusebio looking at his girlfriend.

    According with Eusebio's surviving mistress Martha Lopez (still living in "La Casa Grande"), he use to take them to dance and drink in bars located always in the outskirts of Guadalajara, always in disguise with a fake beard and dark glasses. Eusebio used to love also attending boxing and wrestling matches but always anonymously. That is why his driver were always one of his two sons, Santiago and later, Samuel. Everything should stay within the family.

    Eusebio was an ex-military and used to carry a gun always with him.

    This will explain his sudden death, because when Eusebio was "very sick" Samuel was called urgently to see his agonizing father.

    Besides that, Samuel hated his father iron fist with him and one of his friends of youth whis is my uncle, told me that Samuel was, "stuborn, full of pride and a coward". Wouldn't surprise me that behind the shooting of Eusebio could be the hand of Samuel. His own sisters criticized him for taking "his father's women" just after taking Eusebio's place in LLDM.

    The rest is history or at least LLDM version.

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  41. Chris:

    There are some beliefs in LLDM that are thought only to the exclusive group of "unconditionals":

    1: Samuel Joaquin Flores is:
    For married women, their husband.
    For married men, their wife.
    For single woman, their boyfriend.
    For single men, their girlfriend.
    For everybody, their loving father.

    2: You should obey Samuel Joaquin Flores even if he is mad or crazy and no matter what is the order as unmoral or illegal that the order is.

    3: If you are a woman and he fornicates or commit adultery with him, you do not sin because he (SJF) is holy and is "sanctifying" your body.

    4: Samuel Joaquin Flores as "apostle of God" is a Priest, a King, is a Prophet, is a Servant of God and held ALL THE ATTRIBUTES AND PRIVILEGES OF THOSE TITLES.

    5: Samuel Joaquin Flores as "the anointed of God" is not obliged to obey or follow the Bible, he is above the Bible, he is like God himself.

    6: If Samuel Joaquin Flores marries you to a woman or man, he can dissolve at any time or reason your marriage.

    7: All the children of "unconditional" belong to Samuel Joaquin Flores. If possible, change their last name to "Herem", this means "Anathema", separated for God, banished from the congregation.

    8: Any "unconditional" could amass or save properties or money. Everything they have belongs to "the apostle".

    9: If your "unconditional" spouse,children or relative would show signs of doubts or talk against "the apostle" your loyalty is to "the apostle" not to your family. You do not have a family anymore, your only family in this world is "the apostle".

    10: If you break your vows of loyalty and obedience to "the apostle", you can not be forgiven, not in this world, neither in eternity, you are condemned forever to hell.


    What do you think? Are these teachings and rules Christian?

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  42. To those that need to be updated on this sight.
    LLDM fallows a man that claims to be an angel. This man is called an apostle by the LLDM members. The lldm members sing songs to the apostle and believe that you have to believe that the apostle was sent by God in order to be baptised. But we had visitors on this sight that admit that their wife was raped by this apostle and had to leave the church. We have people on this sight that is married to a member and is aware of everything that is happening in the LLDM church. This message is for those that do not believe what is sad on this sight but it is all true, the apostle from LLDM to the rape claims about him that are all true. We all have family or members still attending the church and no matter what we show them in the bible and the truth about Jesus being our only king they are still to brain washed and they keep defending the apostle no matter what they hear about him. We told them that the apostle is a raper they say no no no its not true. Then we ask them why do yo ignore the birth of Christ but then celebrate the birth of the apostle they say oh no no its nothing we don't know the real birth date of Christ so we just worship the apostle instead. If any one has any more doubts about this sight or have any more questions we would be more then happy to update you on what is going on in the LLDM church and in the bible as well. And yes there are earthquakes coming around and we might be next, the Lord is not too happy with the things going on here on this earth so remember his power that he has that the fake apostle will never have being a sinning man claiming to be an angel. Jesus is the power and he is coming.

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  43. I was not able to get in to oscars sight im not sure if its my computer or if you are having the same broblome as well.

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  44. Dear Frank and sum my fellow children of God the Father and in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ,

    Just as those in the world worship the things of the world, so is with the poor lost members of LLDM. The bottom line is to call upon any other name then the name of the Lord will lead to destruction and death (an eternal life without God, forever!).

    Samuel has built upon the foundation of his father Aaron of self gratifcation in the name of the Lord. Samuel's life is trutly a clinical textbook case of the path of megalomainiac. He started off by replacing his father as a spiritural leader, for that is all the Aaron concedered himself to be. Samuel then progressed to self proclaimed apostle of not Jesus Christ, but of God!

    The original apostles always refered to himselfs as "aposltes of Jesus Chris" not directly apostles of God. Because only Jesus Christ is the direct Apostle of God the Father.

    And now Samuel has replaced Jesus Christ for salvation and he is fully aware that Jesus Christ declared himself to be God, the Word (John 1:1-2, 14). So in his mind not only is he Jesus Christ, but God!

    What is amazing is that while on Earth, since his birth Jesus Christ kept every single Law of Mose. Can this be said of Samuel Joaquin? NO! Even from his birth his was unable to kept every single Law of Mose because he was born of sin from the sin nature of Adam just like the rest of the other 107 Billion humans that have every lived on the face of the Earth.

    There are a number of such men around the world that believe that they are the center for salvation.

    Such as with Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda who is a heretic as well. He is a false messiah who claims to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. He refers to himself as “Jesus Christ Man.”

    Here is a exerpt from "Got Questions"


    http://www.gotquestions.org/Jose-Luis-Jesus-Miranda.html

    "He is a native Puerto Rican who claims that in 1973, through a vision he received, Jesus Christ “integrated with him.” In 1998, he claimed that he was the reincarnation of the apostle Paul. In 2005, he officially claimed he was Christ.

    Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda’s following has all of the classic signs of a cult. There is the claim to extra-biblical authority by way of the vision of Christ “integrating” with him.

    There is the fact that Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is the sole, undisputed leader of his movement, and as such he exerts total authority over his church and ministry.

    There is the teaching of exclusive doctrine such as the non-existence of the devil, hell and sin, the futility of prayer, and the irrelevancy of God’s moral code (i.e., the Ten Commandments).

    He exploits his people financially, living a lavish lifestyle well beyond his reported means based on the generosity of his followers.

    Finally, there is a defective Christology. He claims he is greater than Jesus Christ and that his teachings supersede those of Christ. He even refers to himself as the Antichrist and sports a “666” tattoo on his forearm, claiming that since He is Christ, worship of Jesus Christ is invalid. His followers are now also receiving 666 tattoos to declare their allegiance to him."

    Not much different from Samuel Joaquin as being the self appointed "time for salvation" because his is here on Earth as the "Man of God". With total undisputed control and authority of "God's church on Earth".

    God's blessing and praise to the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen

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  45. WOW that is interesting and scary thank you for sharing that with us, I guess Samuel should not be a sunrise behaviour to us.

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  46. wow this makes me sick to my stomach!! i am a member of lldm of 10 yrs i was baptized mormon at 8 and attended other churches growing up.. i will never attend another church.. you guys have way too much time on your hands im just sitting back laughing.. i was gonna have a nicer approach but you guys are just sickning!!! you guys did nothing but reassure my faith!!! THANKS!! THERE IS NO better doctrine out there!! n.marti

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  47. Dear Anaonymous (3/3/10) comment,

    I give all glory to the Holy Spirit of God the Father for leading you here and I thank you for being willing to post your comment.

    Would you be willing to explain what part or parts makes you sick to your stomach?

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  48. You know what dose make me sick to my stomach? the false apostle calming to be an angel of God. Every thing that he is doing and making people believe his lies and his discussing perverted mind is what makes me sick. I do not know haw people just start to fallow some one who comes out of no wear and camels to be God? Some one that is a human and not perfect at all that people want to look up to? I am sad and very bothered by the people from LLDM that are ignorant and I say that we work together and make more sights on the enter-net so that the world will know what type of person they are worshipping.

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  49. More financial abuse in LLDM

    A relative of mine who's a member of LLDM in Los Angeles was commenting some days ago (actually bragging about it)that Naason Joaquín, the son of "the apostle" is promoting a collect to build a new residence for his father in Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico.
    The reason for the residence is for "the apostle" to stay in this residence when the "Tower of Faith" that is being built there is finished.
    Why Samuel Joaquin would want a residence in such an unpopulated development? Specially owning already a luxurious ranch at walking distance (1 mile south of the development)?
    And why the members of LLDM should built it for him?
    The congregations all over US are struggling just keeping up with the buyouts of rundown temples. Some congregations are still paying their own buildings.
    The reason is to take advantage of the current low price of fore-closured properties but at grate sacrifice for the common members.
    I bet none of the "royal family" put a penny for the acquisition of them!
    The reason, GREED, GREED and ore GREED!

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  50. Frank M,

    Just this evening at the LLDM study (4/13) the pastor interupted the service to anounce that Naason Joaquín had order all of the congregations under his control need to contribute to an "emergancy" fund for the ranch in SB. What is interesting is that the pastor did not give the reason, just that there is an "emergancy".

    The emergancy is to buy up real estate at cheap prices!

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  51. Christopher,

    Yes indeed!
    I'm sure there are some properties on sale adjacent to the ones already in Samuels' sons pockets!
    This EMERGENCY is the need for funds toward the acquisition of them in the real state auctions.
    And who's funding this buyouts? The members of LLDM of course. Because even-though Samuel's pockets are very deep, he does not like to liquefy his assets!

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  52. thank you frank for the update on LLDM. Its just to bad that the members are hard headed to believe anything.

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  53. Can I ask all of you something? Why do you waste your time talking about what you don't understand. If you don't believe in it just leave our church alone. You have better things to do. And brothers that our talking on this website stop it. They can't understand us so stop answering they just will bring you into their lies. GOD BLESS YOU!

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  54. Anonymous
    Salvation and Christ is never a waste of time. We all have things to do in our lives but for me, God is # 1 And the love that Jesus had for the people should be exactly how we should be. The reason why I am sharing the words of God to the LLDM is because there are lies being told to the church of LLDM and not just any lies but lies against the bible the final word of God is being changed by the Apostl of LLDM and there are many that never read the bible and are worshipping and singing praises to the Apostille of LLDM. The bible says that Jesus is comming and he came and he is still with us, and then all the suden some one is born 60 years ago and decides to tell every one that he is the one that the bible was talking about? How can he claim that he is Jesus? that is the anti Christ.

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  55. THIS IS THE REAL MEANING OF "ANONYMOUS" MESSAGE:

    YES, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE RIPPED OFF, JUST LEAVE THE IGNORANT PEOPLE THAT WILL DO IT GLADLY.
    LEAVE US THE WOLVES, TO DEVOUR THE SHEEP WITHOUT ANY INTERVENTION OF YOURS! IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS IF IS NOT YOUR MONEY!

    SINCERELY CORRUPTLY YOURS,

    THE SILVER WOLF FAMILY AKA THE JOAQUIN GARCIA FAMILY.

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  56. my family aswell as myself was born into this church... la luz del mundo is nothin but a lie...
    this is brainwashed at its finest!!...my family has been talked about n criticized by this religion.... sadly all my family still has faith in this church...someway or another i will release my family from this corrupt religion!!!...


    - Lie Of The World!!!!!

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  57. Lldm member--- Matthew 7:15--beware of the false prophets, which come to you in sheep clothing but inwardly they are reavening wolves.7:16 ye shall KNOW them by their fruits, do men gather grapes of thurns, or figs or thistles.
    AS you can see, you can notice these men by there fruits and the apostol Samuel has nothing but good fruits.

    Matthew 10:40:He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
    As you see there's a latter to follow, if you don't accept that samuel is the apostol of jesus, you don' accept jesus, and if you don' accept jesus you don' accept god. IT'S VERY CLEAR

    Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me : and he that loveth son or doughter more than me is not worthy of me..
    Matthew 10;35 for i am come a man a variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law
    As you see, if you wont to follow jesus you have to leave everything to be worthy of him, including family.
    I hope these part's of the bible help you all realize that SAMUEL is the apostol of jesus, and has been sent forth us to bring us the light because what we were in was the dark.
    god bless the servant of god-SAMUEL FLORES

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  58. Dear LLDM member,

    I thank you for your comments and Scriptures.

    I would like to point out though that in the context of what the Lord Jesus was talking about had nothing to do with anyone else except for Himself. Please read all of chapter 10.

    Here is the full passage of chapter 10 regarding Jesus telling his disciples that he is the focus of all of our attention.

    (Matt 10:32-42)

    32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

    34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    " 'a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
    36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

    37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

    39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.

    41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.

    42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

    None of the "original apostles" ever cited this passage to convince other Christians to turn their lives to them, God forbid! Everyone of them point only to the Christ Jesus as the focus of all our attention, love and lives.

    With all love and respect to you in Christ Jesus, your citing of these verses (out of context)to support your faith that all must be under Samuel Joaquin is a clear example of how the doctrines of LLDM have allow for Samuel to replace himself with the One true Christ and Savior of the world - Lord Jesus Christ.

    Someday very soon the Lord Jesus is returning to this earth (in the perfect immortal flesh) to claim His bride and He will only see those who have their hearts and eyes looking for Him. But if your heart and eyes are looking to someone else other Him you will be left behind.

    The false prophets and false apostles are the ones that are causing the lost to look at them for salvation and not to the one and only source of true salvation, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Please read the Gospel of John to yourself and out loud. 'Faith comes by hear and hear is the word of God', the Lord Jesus Christ.

    With all love and sincereity in the Lord Jesus it is my prayer that you will read the Gospel of John for yourself.

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  59. Christopher Tarrant said...
    Frank M,

    Just this evening at the LLDM study (4/13) the pastor interupted the service to anounce that Naason Joaquín had order all of the congregations under his control need to contribute to an "emergancy" fund for the ranch in SB. What is interesting is that the pastor did not give the reason, just that there is an "emergancy".

    The emergancy is to buy up real estate at cheap prices!
    do you have a video or did you record when Naason said this, and if so why havent you posted it up.

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  60. christopher could you get back to my question please, from the one above

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  61. matthew: 19:18
    He saith unto him, which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit addultery, Thou shalt not steel, Thou shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS.
    God has blessed us by sending an aposol who teaches us how to follow the path of god,
    Christopher Tarrant said...

    I have said it before that this is a family business that is based on a "Mafia" business model of ruthless behavior, control to the point of torter and murder.

    It is my very personal opinion that Samuel may have had a hand in the unusal and sudden death of his father.
    If you,CHRISTEPHOR, wonts to think like this than i well pray for you, like it says:Pray for one another, ANother question? your saying that the lldm is based on a MIFIA bussiness but YET, i still dont see no evedincce, why dont you post it up like that hyperlink of you tube, god bless you chris and if your still attending the lldm becouse of your wife, ask question please, hope you get back to answering my questions please.

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  62. Dear LLDM member (Anonymous),

    I appreciate your willingness to post comments on my blog site and as such the context of blogs are to voice opinions that may or may not lead to discussions such as this. I have never presented my opinions as facts. But I would like to present to you a fact that was spoken of just this past Sunday, July 18th.

    During the course of the responce I found it turning into a discussion. If you would not mind please read my following posting titled:

    "A Short Discussion Regarding the History of Aaron Joaquin’s Baptisms." Dated as of today July 20, 2010.

    All truth is found in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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  63. ok christephor i see, i truly respect that sorry if i offended you in any certaion way. Can i ask you a question? where is the lldm church that you attend located at. But i am truly sorry if i offended you chris. i did not mean to start a discussion, I dont like to discuss.

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  64. -lldm14
    I myself as some of the ppl who commented this site is a member of Lu luz del mundo ima tel. U guys something to let u guys kno incase I am wrong I just turn 14 n have t been baptized yet but did get presentated in the church of Redlands n had some questions for u .... Have u ever been to the church In Redlands were the ranch is located??? ..... U say if I am correct u have been attending our [lldm] church for the past six year in the church if San bernadino in Cali then u most of sure have heard some testimonies of what we believe is an apostle of juesus that he has also made the blind see the handycap walk n so much more mericales n u or some1 else says that he steals from the poor well if have truly been attending our church u would about the grupo Lisa that gives to the poor helps the needy n the other wonder stuff they do n also have u receive yet ??? I do not know much about my church and the bible I'm am bearly getting into this church staff ohh yea n once moré thing what if all this stuff U right about isnt true n you were wrong when the time come it will all be revilled to you and I admire that you are still attending our church but I got a question for u if u write all this stuff about our this church and hate it n not believe in which we believe is the true apostle of juesus then y r u still attending out church

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  65. Dear anonymous 14 years old:

    I was born in LLDM church, now I'm in my 50's and never, never have seen a miracle performed by Samuel Joaquin.
    When his son Asael was almost killed in an accident in 1987, Samuel himself said that he would like to have the gift of Healing to show the people in the church he was a true apostle of God. He couldn't heal his son. Instead, he put the whole congregation to pray to God for his son. His son survived the accident but he is handicapped for life.
    Where is the miracle?
    I don't know who told you about those supposed miracles by Samuel Joaquin but I'm sure they are just hearsay. Furthermore, the performance of healing and miracles is not a proof that somebody is an apostle of God. Anybody that has received the Holy Spirit can show those signals.
    I recommend you to read the Bible asking God for knowledge instead of listening to "testimonies".
    God Bless You.
    And yes, I know the Ranch Ebenezer in Redlands and also the Leisure Ranch "Silver Wolf" in Texas and many others in Mexico, I have been there.

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  66. Dear Anonymous
    your comment sent on June 30 is so out of context.

    Lldm member--- Matthew 7:15--beware of the false prophets, which come to you in sheep clothing but inwardly they are reavening wolves.7:16 ye shall KNOW them by their fruits, do men gather grapes of thurns, or figs or thistles. HELLOOO OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS THE APOSTEL FROM LLDM IS THE FALSE PROPHET WITH SHEEP CLOTHING.
    AS you can see, you can notice these men by there fruits and the apostol Samuel has nothing but good fruits. YEA RIGHT YOU HAVE TO BE KITTING ME HIS FRUITS ARE BAD AND IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THEM THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS.

    Matthew 10:40:He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (HELLOOOO GOD IS TALKING HERE ABOUT JESUS NOT THE APOSTLE).
    As you see there's a latter to follow, if you don't accept that samuel is the apostol of jesus, you don' accept jesus, and if you don' accept jesus you don' accept god. IT'S VERY CLEAR (NO NO NO NO NO, YOU ARE SOOOOOOO LOST IT IS NOT CLEAR TO YOU AT ALL, GOD IS TALKING TO US ABOUT JESUS AND THAT IS IT. IF WE DO NOT EXCEPT JESUS THEN YOU DO NOT EXCEPT GOD. ARE YOU GUYS THAT BRAIN WASHED!!!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE HOLY SPIRIT STOP BELIEVING THE LYES.

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  67. Greetings beautiful enlightened people. I will be updating the Wikipedia LLDM page this week. I have researched the honorary doctorate "award" he received a while back, and stumbled upon some interesting insight. The organization CIHCE, whom awarded it, turns out was selling those awards for a couple hundred bucks. Ha! Samuelito almost pulled a fast one on us and got away with it. What a scumbag.

    Anyway, I also wanted to post a message to remind all of you to make sure our conversations do not end here. We must continue informing the church followers (i.e. Samuelito Zombies) anonymously via internet until LLDM church leaders get sick of our fight and ban their followers from even accessing any internet portal.

    I wish you all well, and if you have any feedback regarding the wiki page or any other matter, please send a reply. Thanks.
    Ridjal

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  68. dear, SUM said...
    this comment was posted augest 20
    well your saying that"HELLOOO OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS THE APOSTEL FROM LLDM IS THE FALSE PROPHET WITH SHEEP CLOTHING. "YEA RIGHT YOU HAVE TO BE KITTING ME HIS FRUITS ARE BAD AND IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THEM THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS. ---------Matthew 10:40:He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (HELLOOOO GOD IS TALKING HERE ABOUT JESUS NOT THE APOSTLE).
    -------its true he is talking about jesus, but, who did jesus send out to complete the mision(his apostols) and if you didnt recive them you did not recive jesus and if you did not recive jesus you do not recive he who has sent him ;. As you see there is order to follow, but its been so long since the last apostols that the world does not recognize him. god blees you all




    OK your saying that he's fruits are bad, but what have you heard of him, lies, little rumers that he steels from the poor. False rumers these are. WE are his fruits, the hospitals for the church and for people that are not from church could go in. Also he has build schools for students. I for one, have personaly seen these buildings that he has constructed for the people. How is it that he would be steeling from the poor and then build hospitols, and schhols for the poor, these are his fruits and many more but these are the ones i have seen PERSONALY.

    For----
    RidjalA said...
    Greetings beautiful enlightened people. I will be updating the Wikipedia LLDM page this week.
    ------sorry but wikipedia is not a reliable site, anyone could change the info in it.

    From Frank Media--augest 3
    Healing to show the people in the church he was a true apostle of God. He couldn't heal his son. Instead, he put the whole congregation to pray to God for his son. His son survived the accident but he is handicapped for life.
    Where is the miracle?

    Frank if you really did attend the lldm church what happend to what you learned. If the apostol did or did not heal his son, a prayer is stronger, if he did not heal his son its because well all (as in one) put our trust in god(san juan 17) and god works his wonders.

    just one question how do you all(in respect) take the holy super, if jesus said to do this all the time in memory of him until he comes back.
    Please answer this question who ever reads this

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  69. i have been reading your blogs n it seems to me that you guys dont know nothing about our church yes you guys go to it n you guys say stuff about it but to tell you guys the truth you guys are liers cuz ive been to the ranches n worked there n yall dont know a thing about them you guys say you do but in reality you dont...n i just have one thing stop wasting your time trying to tell us wat u think are facts about our church which are not...n if you right o well leave us but if your wrong i feel bad for who ever falls in to the hands of a living God and tomarrow God will say who is the just one

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  70. Anonymous said...
    dear, SUM said...
    this comment was posted augest 20
    well your saying that"HELLOOO OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS THE APOSTEL FROM LLDM IS THE FALSE PROPHET WITH SHEEP CLOTHING. "YEA RIGHT YOU HAVE TO BE KITTING ME HIS FRUITS ARE BAD AND IF YOU CAN NOT SEE THEM THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS. ---------Matthew 10:40:He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (HELLOOOO GOD IS TALKING HERE ABOUT JESUS NOT THE APOSTLE).
    -------its true he is talking about jesus, but, who did jesus send out to complete the mision(his apostols) and if you didnt recive them you did not recive jesus and if you did not recive jesus you do not recive he who has sent him ;. As you see there is order to follow, but its been so long since the last apostols that the world does not recognize him. god blees you all




    OK your saying that he's fruits are bad, but what have you heard of him, lies, little rumers that he steels from the poor. False rumers these are. WE are his fruits, the hospitals for the church and for people that are not from church could go in. Also he has build schools for students. I for one, have personaly seen these buildings that he has constructed for the people. How is it that he would be steeling from the poor and then build hospitols, and schhols for the poor, these are his fruits and many more but these are the ones i have seen PERSONALY.

    For----
    RidjalA said...
    Greetings beautiful enlightened people. I will be updating the Wikipedia LLDM page this week.
    ------sorry but wikipedia is not a reliable site, anyone could change the info in it.

    From Frank Media--augest 3
    Healing to show the people in the church he was a true apostle of God. He couldn't heal his son. Instead, he put the whole congregation to pray to God for his son. His son survived the accident but he is handicapped for life.
    Where is the miracle?

    Frank if you really did attend the lldm church what happend to what you learned. If the apostol did or did not heal his son, a prayer is stronger, if he did not heal his son its because well all (as in one) put our trust in god(san juan 17) and god works his wonders.

    just one question how do you all(in respect) take the holy super, if jesus said to do this all the time in memory of him until he comes back.
    Please answer this question who ever reads this

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  71. To Anonymous poster who states that Wikipedia is "unreliable":
    What makes Wikipedia so powerful is that it is backed by reliable sources, like these 2 sources for instance

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/MYSA052508_LightofTheWorld_1dfbb7b_html31193.html?showFullArticle=y

    http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/10/news/mn-27361

    These are not tabloids, it's the San Antonio News and L.A. Times, for Christ's sake! Are you in denial that the sexual abuses and IRS fraud committed by SJF have been exposed???
    Face it, your church is nothing more than an entity utilized for the exploitation of you and your family for the personal benefit of SJF. Just because he teaches the bible doesn't make him a saint, because we all know that Catholic priests teach from the same book as well.

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  72. for R.A there is a differnce between the catholic and the light of the world.. There is a big difference. Wikipedia is not a reliable sourse every one knows that including your self. Ok. If this" sex affence that you sayand this froud that you say" was true the light of the world church would not be expanding more and more and more. Ok suppose it was true, it then well be like the catholic church, we would come out in the news all the time and you would here about people of the luz del mundo leaving the church, like the cathilics now in days.
    Exploit-----that word is not relevent to us, even though samuel does have his houses and stuff, he never enjys of them. He is always on the mission that jesus left, visiting the churches. Also if you heard about the earth quik in Hati, there were many injured and in need of medicine, the light of the world was one of the first to send food medicine, and etc.like in veracruz, chili. Not only for our church but for every one. With all do respect, exploit is not relevent to the church. If he would to be exploiting us as you say, he would of never sent nothing. god bless,

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  73. Funny how this blog is strictly moderated by the owner. My previous responses were deleted. If you have nothing to hide about your church, then you would have allowed for my comments to stand.

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  74. Anonymous - I do not moderate nor have a deleted any comments or posting from this blog. If you do not see your post it is because of the system.

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  75. NO ES DE EL QUE QUIERE NI DEL EL QUE CORRA, SI NO DE QUIEN DIOS TENGA MISERICORDIA...
    OBIOUSLY GOD HAS NO MERCY UPON YOU.. IF YOU CANT SEE THAT HE IS THE TRUE MAN OF GOD, THEN ITS NOT FOR YOU, OTHER SAY THAT HE RAPED AND DID SO MANY BAD THINGS, WELL I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROOF BEFORE YOU CAN OPEN YOU MOUTH, WE DONT LIVE LIKE WE DID IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY SCARED OR FORCED TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, NOW A DAYS YOU SHOULD REPORT ANY KIND OF ABUSE NO MATTER THE THREAT, BUT IM SURE THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY LOOKED IN TO IT IF IT WER TRUE AND IM SURE THEY HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL IF THEY FOUND SOMETHING, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN FOUND ON HIM BECAUSE ITS ALL LIES, I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND ANY BODY BY MY COMMENT BUT I SPEAK MY PEACE, SERIOUSLY IF YOU THINK HE DID SO MANY BAD THINGS WHY NOT REPORT IT WHAT ARE YOU SCARED ABOUT? UNLESS ITS LIES.
    I SAY IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THEN ITS NOT FOR YOU SO MOVE ON, BUT WHY MAKE FALSE TESTAMENTS IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROOVE

    OTHER ANON

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  76. Amen the comment above.

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  77. 3. (John 6:29) "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

    fOR SUM-fRANK-cHRISTEPHER-
    TOWERDS THIS PASSAGE--JESUS WAS REFFERING TO HIM SELF, BUT WHO WAS ALSO SENT BY GOD TO PREACH THE GOSPOL??? THE APOSTOLS OF JESUS CHRIST, CORRECT. lIKE THE MISSION THAT JESUS HAD PUT FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND SPREAD THE TRUTH.(mATTHEW) WASENT JESUS SENT BY GOD(WITH AUTHORUTHY) AND JESUS GAVE THE APOSTOLS AUTHORITHY AS WELL,WHICH COMES FROM GOD.(ITS A LATTER OF AUTHORITHY)- SO TELL ME THIS, JESUS AUTHORITHY FROM GOD WAS NOT VALID THATS WHY YOU DONT EXCEPT THAT THE APOSTOLS WERE AS WELL SENT BY GOD THROU JESUS THE CHRIST.?
    JAKE

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  78. Dear Jake,

    Here is the answer to your question,

    "SO TELL ME THIS, JESUS AUTHORITHY FROM GOD WAS NOT VALID THATS WHY YOU DONT EXCEPT THAT THE APOSTOLS WERE AS WELL SENT BY GOD THROU JESUS THE CHRIST.?"

    Jesus is God (John 1:1-2,14). God the Father in heaven of whom no one but Jesus has seen gave to His Son - Lord Jesus the Christ- all authority to be the way for salvation, to be the means by which man-kind may have their sins removed so that man can once again come into the presents of God the Father. (Read the book of Hebrews) for a full understanding of this.

    The authority that the original apostles received from the Lord Jesus was not to be the way for salvation nor to be the ruling authority over his church here on Earth, that authority still is Jesus'.

    They were given the authority to be the first representatives of the Lord’s message of salvation in His name. (Acts 4:12) And all of the apostles called out for ALL of mankind to call upon the name of the Lord only not through them or because of them. You will not find anywhere in the Scriptures that records any of the apostles preaching the doctrines of “Election” or “Apostolic Authority”.

    The point of the Bible, Old and New Testament, is to declare one beautiful truth that is our sins can only be removed because of the finished work of Christ plus nothing on our part such as faith in the doctrines of LLDM, having to attended the “Holy Supper” or have to beg to God for the Holy Spirit, or even baptism which is not an act of sanctification but of obedience.

    We are declared justified by God, meaning our guilt is gone, because of the work of Jesus Christ and this work was so perfect that it has lasted ever since the cross which testifies to the fact that the LLDM doctrine of the grace being removed from the earth only to return in 1926 is false.

    God's blessing to you and Please Read the Bible. Start with the Gospel of John.

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  79. jake
    to chris
    chris you are rite ,Acts 4:12, under any other name except jesus well there be salvation. I would like to give you a text towerds your statement: chris you state in alot of your statments that apostols cant bring salvation. Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved , what is your insight on this passage, i know your well known with this passage. this passage dosent say that they were saved but they do have that "AUHTHORITHY", because of this little BIG passage. Whats your insight on this well explained passege

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  80. jake
    this passage says alot chris.
    After each doctrine(s), I have listed scripture verses that address the particular doctrine(s) in question. Please read the doctrine(s) and the verses with your Bible so that you my fully appreciate the the scripture in context, and read out loud even if you are by yourself.


    (Romans 10:17) - "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ."
    this is a passage from your other sit. I just wont to clearify that your saying that even if you read by yourself out loud you gain faith

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  81. You are right I am very well versed with Romans chapter 10. This is Paul’s very clear and sweet explanation that the Lord Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation and that anyone (John 3:16) can call upon the name of the Lord to receive the free gift of grace and salvation from our sins.

    What LLDM goes straight to is the following passage (Romans 10:14-15) to justify that it is because of a man on earth (Aaron, Samuel) that we receive the salvation, and that because of their authority that the message has power.

    "14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    But it is used by LLDM out of context because after you read the entire book of Romans you will come to understand that Paul is declaring salvation is in the message and not the messenger.

    The Power is in the message and the message declares the name of the Lord and God has given the message to us through His Holy word the Bible. All anyone has to do to understand who God is and what is plan for salvation is to just read His words, and it is the Holy Spirit who will teach you all that you will need to know for salvation.

    Over all what Aaron, Samuel and all of the past and present Popes have really not added anything new to God’s revelations. What they have done is to lie to the world that it is only through them that the God’s words have the power for salvation and without them no one can understand the mysteries of God’s will for mankind, grace and salvation.

    In effect RCC and LLDM have declared their own apostles are the new Christ on earth for salvation, and removed the Holy Spirit from his place as the “great teacher” and “great comforter”.

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  82. Jake - that is exaclty what I am saying! When you read the words of God, even if only to yourself, you are hearing God's words and He is speaking directly to you. Don't get me wrong here. I am not saying that God to speaking to you in your mind with voices, but you are reading and speaking God's very words and you have not need of anyone telling you what God is trying to tell you. The Holy Spirit will teach you.

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  83. chris i thought you gain faith from hearing others like, like Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ." yes when the apostol said this in the book of romen s he said this so the other one could know how faith comes, threw hearing someone preach.

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  84. its still jake from above

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  85. chris this is my point exactly, i dont know if your catching this.

    _"God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, is the only Authority unto salvation. The original and only true Apostolic Apostles were given the authority to preach the gospel that Jesus full filled on the cross the gospel of good new of salvation in his name".
    The church lldm dosent recive salvation threw Aron& samuel, as you stated from the comment above:"Aostols were given the authority to preach the gospel of good news of salvation in his name" this is how you recive salvation chris. If these Apotols werent chosen and not given the authority to preach the message of salvation,What would be of the message than? If there would of not been no one with the authority to preach the word of salvation, then what?(pretend) put depite that, god is god and he works his wonders. jake

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  86. Chris just one question.So you think by reading the bible and calling on the name of the lord well bring you salvation?.
    still jake

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  87. Dear Jake,

    With all respect to you, you are stating one thing but following up with another. You, as well as many others within LLDM, state that you do not look to Samuel for salvation, but then you state the without him, or another one like him, the message cannot bring salvation.

    The original apostles were taught by the Lord himself the message of salvation through his name and faith in him alone (John 14:6).

    Jesus told them that once he left to return to heaven after having completed the work of the Father for salvation on the cross he would make them responsible for going out to the entire world and preach the message that he taught them.

    Jesus never declared to them that they would be the power/authority behind the message. The apostle themselves never declared them as the power supporting the message.

    Jake the message is the power all unto it’s self, because the message is the everlasting and forever power of the all might God – Jesus Christ. THE POWER IS IN THE MESSAGE!

    In the equation of salvation according to LLDM (and there are many other religions out there teaching the same thing, but I will keep my comments limited to LLDM) the following formula applies.

    MESSAGE + apostle (man or God, Pope, Elected one, ect.) = Salvation

    LLDM teaches without an “Elected” apostle from God here on earth than the message is “Hidden away” and mere mankind cannot understand the message and therefore cannot receive salvation by the word. This is not a true teaching.

    Now I will give you the formula for salvation according to the word of God.

    MESSAGE + Nothing = SALVATION

    This formula is true because the original apostles who for many years of ministring brought the Word by their mouths and then begin to document these same words into what we now have as God’s Holy inspired plan for salvation, the Holy New Testament.

    The Bible is not “just a history book” as I have been told by a number of pastors and deacons of LLDM over the past 7 years.
    The Holy Bible is the very mouth of God speaking to us through his Holy Spirit.

    You asked me “If there would of not been no one with the authority to preach the word of salvation, then what?”

    Answer: We already have one of authority to preach the word of salvation and person is the Lord Jesus Christ. His message has not changed since he first taught it to the original apostles and they in turn taught it to the next generation of Christians by word of mouth and by their letters and gospels.

    Read the book of John and Hebrews, Jake. I recommend you first John then Hebrews and you will come to see for yourself, as taught by the true teacher the Holy Spirit, that Jesus is God, he is the only way for salvation by the power of his message and because the Lord Jesus is alive with the Father all mighty in heaven this every moment the message has never been hidden away from man nor powerless becuase of a lack of a "man of God" on earth.

    Man has removed himself from the message, but the message has never been removed from man.

    It has never been because of the apostles that the message has the power to save otherwise why would have Paul made the following statement, and I am summarizing for I do not recall the exact passage at the moment but I will get it, ‘I do not care how corrupt a man’s heart is so long as the message that he is preaching is the truth.’

    Paul is very clearly saying that even if a person is not saved themselves and are serving only themselves, but they are preaching the true message of Jesus Christ then the power is still there because it is all about the message and not the one who is bring the message.

    To answer your last question my answer is YES!

    Anyone who is blessed to have the Holy Bible can read it for themselves, for it is God's revelation to man, and come to understand that they are sinnful and cannot be made clean by themselves and can call upon the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiviness of their sins and receive the free gift of grace from the Father for everlasty life. AMEN!

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  88. that Jesus is God"
    Hold, wait, chris you think jesus is god, as in god is jesus and jesus is god? sorry for many questions chris.
    ill get back to my response,
    jake

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  89. Yes Jake - the Lord Jesus Christ is God. One of the three co-equal personalities of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Jesus many times declared himself to be God and equal to the Father who is in heaven as well as equal to the Holy Spirit.

    (John 1:1-2, 14) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

    14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    The apostle John is clearly making the statement that the Word is God and Jesus is the Word in the flesh which means that God is in the flesh with us and just in Spirit.

    Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

    Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1).

    In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

    The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

    LLDM teaches that Jesus was just a man filled with the Holy Spirit of God for a few years and at Jesus death the Holy Spirit left Jesus' body to return to heaven to be with the Father. This is a falsing, because like I just stated the blood of no sin born man could have paid the price of sin.

    God's blessing in His might will be with you.

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  90. jake
    chris, if jesus was god than what does this passage say to you:Philippians 2:1-11(1If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, 2make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3[doing] nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; 4not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of i in heaven and i on earth and i under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    Chris isnt this saying that jesus was not looking to be equal to god, but he took the likingness of a servent and therefor god exalted him. And god gave jesus---"
    Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of i in heaven and i on earth and i under the earth"
    Dosent this passage clearly say that jesus is not god.
    "The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2)." jesus is not god, 1 "My little children, these things write I unto you that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ" This is saying that if we sin we have a jesus christ as a advocate, therefor, jesus christ, the son, who sacrfiest his lives for us is sufficent. god bless chris
    still jake

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  91. Dear Jake,

    I am not at all surprised that you cite this passage of Scripture since it was the focus study last week for LLDM and I am very happy that our discussion is being based on Scripture and not just from personal feelings.

    I am not sure which translation you are using but I am going to post from the NIV and the NKJ for comment and comparison.

    When this Scripture was used in the Sunday study and it was cited to support the LLDM teaching that Jesus was stating that he is not equal to God. This made my hair stand on end while attending this study, and just as the pastor has been told what to think about what the apostle Paul is saying you are making the same LLDM doctrinal statement.

    I am fully aware that it is taught by LLDM that Jesus was just man just like Samuel is and Aaron was. This is the only way that LLDM can support the rest of its teachings and doctrines, that the Holy Spirit inhabits the Samuel just it did with Aaron and Jesus, but this is not what Paul was saying to the Philippians.

    Philippians 2:5-7 (New International Version NIV)

    "In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness."

    Philippians 2:5-7 (New King James)

    "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."

    Paul in the beginning of chapter 2 is telling them that they need to be “like-minded” in love because they have the same spirit and mind and to do nothing out of vain selfishness out the care for their own interests and to look out for each other.

    In verse 5 Paul is telling them to “have the same mindset as Christ Jesus” to be a servant to each other.

    Verse 6 is what LLDM just flat out does not get right! Paul is giving to the Philippians, and to us, a most powerful insight about Jesus and the issue again is about reading in context.

    There is no way to interpret that Paul is saying Jesus is stating that he did not conceder himself equal to God. The exact opposite is true here. Paul is declaring that Jesus Christ did consider himself equal to God and he did not take “advantage” of the fact that he is equal to God!

    In Jesus' equallness to God he could have come earth as a ruler expecting to be waited on by mankind. But, in fact Jesus did the exact opposite he made himself a lowly servant with “no reputation” unlike many so called “men of God” do in this day vainly taking the Lord's name to make themselfs unique and special.

    I like how the KJV states it as “did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,…” How LLDM reads this as Jesus stating that it is robbery to be equal with God makes no sense.

    Paul is declaring Jesus equal to God and that Jesus did not conceder it to be a crime for him to be equal to God as the Jewish law declared, nor did he take advantage of the fact that he is equal to God.

    Jesus Christ is God. He lowered himself to earth to be a servant to man and not as ruler. So that through his sacrifice on the cross we may all benefit from his perfect atoning blood.

    The very blood of God, and yes God bled! Not God the Father who is in heaven, not the Holy Spirit who is here on earth in Spirit, but God the Son – Jesus Christ - in the perfect flesh, Amen!

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  92. and the people who shall belive threw the words of these men(apostols) are all one as said in Philippians 2:1-11
    Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of i in heaven and i on earth and i under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    chris you stated verses 5-7 but 9, 10, and 11 clearly says that god made jesuschrist "God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name" he made his name above every name, and for us to knee and bow in the name of jesus christ. It dosent say that jesus is god or gos is jesus but god the father gave jesus the son an unexplicable blessing of his name above every name.

    dont get me rong chris, they are one, john 17:1-26) verse 21-
    "
    "that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me"
    GOD the father, Jesus the son, apostols chapter 17. god the father jesus the son who sacrificed his life foe us is why his name is above every name
    god bless chris

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  93. chris it is still jake
    from the comment above,

    the first line, well this line ignore that first line please i messed up the order.sorry
    "and the people who shall belive threw the words of these men(apostols) are all one as said in" this is the line ignore please.

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  94. jake

    chris hear goes another clear passage that jesus is not god, Acts 5-30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree. 31Him did God exalt with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins. The apostol peter says that jesus was exalted to be a prince and a savior, not god.
    another scripture. what the apostols called jesus and said it was ok john 13-13 Ye call me, Teacher, and, Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. 14If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another’s feet. god bless

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  95. jake
    chris i am aslo happy that our online chat is based on scriptures and not feelings its good when presenting scriptures from the bible. god bless brother chris

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  96. God's blessing to you Jake,

    Let's go straight to the source - Lord Jesus, and read what he said about himself being one with the Father and therefore being God.

    (John 10:25-33)
    25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
    31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
    33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

    Jesus is saying to the "Jewish opponents" that the works he has done testify that he is the "Son of God" not just a "son" of God. The Jews recognized that the "works" the Lord was performing had never in the history of mankind ever been, nor since, performed.

    One of the most learned Jewish teachers of this time, Nicodemus, declared this every fact:

    (John 3:1-2)
    1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

    Look at verse 33 and ask yourself why they would want to stone Jesus so badly if Jesus was not declaring to them that he is God. They are clearly getting the point that Jesus is declaring himself God because to say that he and the Father are one equals God.

    Under the laws of Moses at this time anyone declaring them self to be equal to God the Father will be put to death immediately. And what adds to the fact that they clearly believed that Jesus was declaring himself to be equal with the Father and God was that during this time Roman law was in effect and did not allow for the Jews to put to death anyone until they had received permission from the Roman Governor (Pilot).

    So they were willingly going to break a Roman law to stone Jesus which would have meant that they could have been put to death by the Romans themselves!

    But I again cite (John 1:1-2, 14)“the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh”

    And also (John 8:58) is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones again to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

    Jake, Jesus is tell them and use that he is the great "I am" as another name for himself which is the name of God the very "I am" name that God the Father told Moses to tell to the Hebrews in Egypt so that they would know for sure that Moses a messenger from God. Jesus is telling them that he was alive before their father Abraham!

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  97. Jake - I want to add one more thought to this question of Jesus being God. If Jesus is truely just a man like Aaron or Samuel and like the rest of us born sinners, then Jesus is lying to the Jews and therefore is just another sinful man. This means than that his death had no affect and was powerless on the cross and all of this is just a waste of time.

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  98. chris hear goes the rest of john 10:34-37
    35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am [the] Son of God?
    yes, the father and the son are one just as john 17:22
    21that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me. 22And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we [are] one; 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.
    chris these passages clearly state that god,jesus, apostols and future belivers through the mouth of the apostols are one.
    RECALL: "30 I and the Father are one.”
    your saying that this passage says that jesus is god. What about the verses that i gave you(21,22,23). T
    Compare: verse 30 says that jesus and god are one, then in verses(john 17) 21,22,23 says, that god, jesus apostols, and future belivers are one with jesus and god. COrrect.
    So if your saying that this passage (30)states that jesus is god, then your also saying that apostols and future belivers are god as well because these passages say the same thing (they are all one). NAd if you also deny that the apostols and the future belivers are not god than jesus is not god as well because there all one.

    Responce towerds November 10, 2010 2:15 PM:
    Jesus was not like Aron and Samuel, aron and samuel where made through men, but jesus was concived by the holy spirit, sanctified into perfection which he did not know sin because he never sined.
    jake, god bless chris

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  99. jake
    chris hear goes another passage;

    1 john
    5And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
    this passage dosent say that jesus is god but the son of god chris.


    luke 8: 28

    28And when he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God?

    As you see chris that the spirit of this man cried out and said " jesus, thou Son of the Most High God?

    god bless chris, with all my heart chris

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  100. chris i hope you could get back to my commentplease god bless

    jake

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  101. chris hope you get back to my comment god bless

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  102. Hi Jake - I have not forgotten our great spiritual talks here. I am currently very involved with my school work, finals, and also I have had a great deal of Army field training that will be going on for the next few months. I will be back here as soon as I can.

    God's blessing to you and I again I stress the reading of God's word starting with John.

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  103. its jake chris
    its fine i understand

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  104. Christopher,

    First of all, I want to congratulate you for continuing to fight for the truth of the Gospel. May God bless you with more abundance of knowledge and PATIENCE dealing with so many hard headed people. Fortunately, I see that some of them have the self control needed to discuss faith matters with a clear mind and a good disposition to find the truth.
    However, I have been often flabbergasted by the narrow understanding of scriptures shown by some people like "Anonymous".
    In reference to their "apostle" Samuel Joaquin Flores he stated that:
    "He asks God to punish him for OUR sins, and not us. That is why he has been sick so many times."
    Can't people like "Anonymous" in LLDM see that is a flagrant usurpation of Jesus Christ work?
    How can a mortal (As long as I know Samuel is human,He eats, sleeps, breaths and the rest too..)pay for our sins? If, and I say IF, he (SJF)would be able to get the punishment for our sins (or at least for the sins of his congregation) wouldn't be he dead? Because the Scriptures says that "The pay of sin is Death". And "It can not be sin remission without blood shedding".
    Besides that, Jesus Christ pay for our sins FOREVER because he is the Son of God, an eternal entity and the only sacrifice to be a match for the sins of humanity.
    Dear "Anonymous",
    you're being deceived by your "faith" and lack of the real Word of God.
    God bless you opening your eyes this year.

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  105. Christopher,

    It looks that Carlos Montemayor, the pedofile pastor of LLDM is targeting the young congregation of pastor Ravi Kumar Kikpati in India.

    http://www.luzdelmundo.net/newyeininkku.html

    I believe Carlos, who is the pastor of LLDM in Phoeniz, Az. is trying to get Kumar's congregation in to the tentacles of the false apostle of LLDM without work for it and even putting a foot in that poor country. This would restore him to his previous range and prestige in LLDM.

    Wouldn't be a shame that this poor and needed people would fall in the claws of this cult?
    I don't know how this pastor came to be in contact with Carlos Montemayor and LLDM, but I believe, they (LLDM) are not telling him the whole truth about their actual beliefs.

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  106. chris its me jake have you got back to my comments

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  107. can I offer a belgian waffle with some greek yogurt while u guys argue.. and some fruit tea with lime? ... y'all need to kick back n chill and just find out how things will be when the second coming comes..

    Dios los bengladesh:)

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  108. to everyone: hi im 15 and im a member of lldm fresno california. i just want to say how sad is it that all you people have to blog about my church and the apostol in a negative way. if you dont know your facts about my church then stop wrighting lies. and no lldm will never give up and we will never stop preaching the truth. all im saying is in my hart i feal im in the truth. no im not brain washed lol.and to everyone who dosent beleve in the apostol then that just means you are not in gods plan to be saved.and you know what there were even people who didnt beleve in jesus and he is the son of god!!!!!! so of course a lot of people are not going to beleve in the apostol. and alot of the outher comments of my church are lies. i just hope one day you guys will see the light and stop being in the darkness. when we die may god have mersey on all you guys who keep talking bad about our church and the apostol. dtb to all lldm

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  109. Hnos de LLDM. Que Predican, que defienden, que exponen? Es tiempo de que Dios les abra el entendimiento. Acaso no han querido darse cuenta que cuando se acercan a alguién para ''predicarle'' de lo que hablan, exponen y presentan es una doctrina torcida que sutilmente presenta a un hombre como el ''escogido''; no se han querido dar cuenta que lo que presentan es una denominación como la única. ¿Acaso Dios es escaso?. ; no se han dado cuenta de que le presumen al mundo de una ''iglesia'' , sus edificios. En que gran pecado estan. desde 1948 erraron el camino. Le quitaron la Gloria, la honra y la adoración que solo le corresponde a Dios, el excelso, el sublime, el admirable, para con un engaño del Diablo -alimentado por los allegados al ''apostol''- trocar esa gloria de Dios para darsela a Aaron Joaquín. Pero ciegos y empecinados continuan afirmando que no, no es adoración, es veneracion. Vean el diccionario. Consulten la escritura. Dios no comparte su gloria con nadie. Han escupido el sacrificio perfecto hecho de una vez y para siempre por nuestro Señor Jesucristo en la cruz del clavario, han nulificado esa sangre preciosa- la unica que nos salva de pecados, para drle ese lugar a un pecador como nosotros... PORQUE NO HAY MEDIADOR ENTRE DIOS Y LOS HOMBRES QUE JESUCRISTO EL HOMBRE. Y EN EL NOMBRE DE JESUCRISTO SE DOBLARA TODA RODILLA DE LOS QUE ESTAN EN LOS CIELOS, EN LA TIERRA Y DEBAJO DE LA TIERRA. PORQUE NO HAY NINGUN NOMBRE POR EL CUAL EL HOMBRE PUEDA SER SALVO QUE EL DEL SEÑOR JESUCRISTO. Como es posible su ceguera espiritual que no puedan discernir- bajo el beneplácito de los allegados- que han corrompido la adoracion en la alabanza a nuestro Dios, al introducir en sus himnarios la adoracion a Samuel Joaquín. SUAVE ES EL ENGAÑO, NECIA LA PASION. Con que cinismo puede afirmarse que la escritura en si misma , ni aún con el espíritu de Cristo puede abrevarse, si no es con la ''autoridad'' de Samuel Joaquín. Han negado ustedes la eficacia de la palabra, su utilidad. Han ustedes objetado el quehacer y el mover del Espíritu Santo en esta tarea. ¿Quién les ha enseñado que solo el ''apostol'' tiene acercamiento y revelación de Dios. Acaso no han leido Hebreos caps. 4:14-16;10:11-23. Entonces para que les ha puesto el Espiritu Santo el Señor. QUE VOSOTROS RECIBISTEIS DE EL PERMANECE EN VOSOTROS, Y NO TENEIS NECESIDAD DE QUE NADIE OS ENSEÑE; ASI COMO LA UNCION MISMA OS ENSEÑA TODAS LAS COSAS, Y ES VERDADERA,Y NO ES MENTIRA, SEGUN ELLA OS HA ENSEÑADO, PERMANECED EN ÉL,... Jn 5:11 Y ESTE ES EL TESTIMONIO, QUE DIOS NOS HA DADO VIDA ETERNA, Y ESTA VIDA ESTA EN SU HIJO.12 EL QUE TIENE AL HIJO, TIENE LA VIDA,EL QUE NO TIENE AL HIJO DE DIOS , NO TIENE LA VIDA. Dice la palabra, MALDITO EL HOMBRE QUE CONFIA EN EL HOMBRE... dice tambiénque EL HERMANO NO PODRA REDIMIR AL HERMANO, entonces que?, se ha contradecido Dios en su palabra?.

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  110. Dear Anonymous, tell me again why we should believe in a sinning man that says he is an apostle? Why is he claiming that he can take the sins on man when he is a man him self? Doesn't it state in the bible that only Jesus can take away our sins? IS this apostle of LLDM calming that he is JESUS? That is blasphemy!!!! He better hope that he does not pass away because Jesus will be right there waiting for him for more then just a word or two. God made his decision already and he sent his own blood to die for us on the cross and when Jesus died we were all saved. The bible is the bible and Jesus is our savior. Jesus died for us on the cross 2011 years ago, so why should we believe in a man that clams he can take our sins when Only God can do so only Jesus our savior. Here is a challenge question READ THE BIBLE AND TELL ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT ANY ONE CAN TAKE SINS OR EVEN THE APOSTLE CAN TAKE AWAY OUR SINS, YOU WILL ONLY FIND THAT ONLY JESUS CAN DO SUCH THING SO GO ON AHEAD AND ASK YOUR WHOLE CHURCH WHERE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT AN APOSTLE HAS THAT AUTHORITY TO TAKE OUR SINS.

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  111. then what were apostles left for???

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  112. and also sum it says in Mathew 16:19 19 "And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed[d] in heaven.” that shows that an apostle can very well forgive or pray for forgiveness of our sins

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  113. I want to know what the Rancho Ebenezer is. Is it a "front" for the cult? Its wierd out there and someon I know goes out there and "visits." Please tell me. I need to protect someone.

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  114. When the Saviour says, therefore, he will give to Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven, he means that he will make him the instrument of opening the door of faith to the world the first to preach the gospel to both Jews and Gentiles. If you had read the bible your self you would know that only Jesus can forgive us for our sins. Any preacher or pastor or apostil that come out and change the bible claiming that they were told to do so is a fake. The bible is our guide and our guide should guide us to the truth and that is our savior Jesus Christ not a man that changes the bibles in his own point of view and taking credit for what only Jesus Christ our savior can do and only Jesus can take our sins.

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  115. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 12, 2011 at 11:08 AM

    John 14:6 (NIV) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Acts 4:12 (NIV) Salvation is found in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

    John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

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  116. peace of the Lord, (first time blogger)

    May I remind everyone that after the gospels all other books were written by apostles (even in Acts Luke and others was writing what he saw in the apostles). They didn't have the bible (new testament). Then what were the early christian church reading? The Law of Moses? I don't think so. It was what the apostles preached to them what they believed. The apostles were killed for preaching the true gospel. If you ask anyone out there if they believe in God or Christ they will say yes of course. Well, so do demons and they tremble. Why are there so may religions and beliefs out there? because anyone can just sit down and read the bible and all of a sudden something pops into their head and say "I will start my church and call it Christ's Church". If I read a passage in the scripture what makes you think I will believe in the same thing you're believing? The holy spirit you say? Yes it is a guide but how are we going to know the truth? By revelation of the holy spirit? are we apostles (messengers from Christ). shouldn't we believe what it says in Ephesians 2:20? Christ is the chief cornerstone (the base) and on top of that is the apostles and then the congregation (being built as a building). If we didn't need apostles then Ephesians 4:11-12 was a typo? The lord is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. He has always used vessels to send his message all throughout time. Samuel and angel? Angel means messenger, yes he is. The message? to believe in Christ the Lord and his commandments and not wicked men or idols. Why do we have to believe in him... it's not to believ in him (the person, his physically as a man) but as a messenger of God. If we don't believe in him then we don't believe in his message and if we don't believe his message then we don't believe in God.I am really happy in the church the light of the world and all my years here have been worthwhile. I myself preach to people out there and when they hear the message of God they say " I ahve never heard that before" and are amazed... not because of me.... is because of the message revealed to his apostle. With or without the bible Samuel Joaquin Flores is a true and unique apostle of Christ. Even if Satan is angry. God pay you for your time. - Eddie Los Angeles, CA

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  117. sue, to your comment on september 12 @ 11:04am
    You need to read the bible more... here are my counter-text arguments to what you said:

    St. John 20:23---- the Apostles can also forgive sins

    Hebrews 12:2---- Christ opened the door of faith

    St Matthew 16:18----- gave him and the other apostles the keys (authority, permission, power, etc.) so that they can take care of his one true church.
    - Eddie

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  118. Believe that Jesus is Almighty God, for we must BELIEVE upon the True Christ of the Scriptures... "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." The Apostle Paul warned us in 2nd Corinthians 11:4 that false prophets would come, preaching "another Jesus." All false religions today deny or diminish Jesus' deity, i.e., the Biblical truth that Jesus came to this earth as the Godhead incarnate (in the flesh). Jesus is Almighty God!

    Believe that He shed His blood on the cross to pay for your sins. Believe that Jesus died, was buried and then rose again after three days for you. This good news is called the "Gospel." Believe upon Jesus to forgive all your sins and save you. Don't rely upon anyone or anything in this world to save you―trust Jesus Christ alone!

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  119. First of all Jesus is the son of God not God Almighty. Yes there's alots of false prophets.. but where's the true prophet? Jesus did not. read the bible. God Almighty(the father) and Jesuschrist (the Son). Yes Jesus died was not buried. He was taken to a tomb. Yes he died for all humanity.. no one else. We know the truth because it was revealed to his chosen one.

    Eddie

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  120. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    In John 20:23 misinterpreted you have to keep reading on you can not just read verses with out the whole message.
    Jesus told His disciples, “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The very core of the Gospel message is the truth that the way someone has their sins forgiven is by having faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. In Acts 10:43-44, when Peter was sharing the Gospel, he said “everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” First John 5:1-5 tells us only he who believes in Jesus will overcome the world. Luke 5:20 says.


    “When Jesus saw their faith, He said ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’” Colossians 2:13-14 says Jesus forgave all our sins. All these passages confirm that Jesus is the one who forgives sin and He forgives all of our sins. If we have had genuine faith in Him, someone else cannot later decide we are not forgiven one sin or another. So, what exactly did Jesus mean in John 20:23?

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  121. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
    Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

    Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

    1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

    Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

    Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

    2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
    There are so many other verses in the bible if you are interested I would be more then happy to type them in. That book that you hold to church every day, try reading it. Of course your church is going to tell you not to read the bible and the you need the chosen one to translate it to you daaaa that is so you would never know the truth.

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  122. to post your name you would click on select profile and then stroll down to name/URL

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  123. Why is he telling them "if YOU forgive their sins"? Read what it says, don't change it. yes The Lord Jesus christ is the one the frogives us of our sins but he gave his apostles authority to take care of his church on earth. We are not saying the apostle is the ultimate superior being. He is taking Jesus' message to the people, not his own message. Read 2nd Corinthians 5:18-20.. what do you think about that passage? We can't ignore these passages.

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  124. No we are not catholics. We are encouraged to read the bible and see the truth. But many twist the scriptures. So please if you don't understand something ask God to illuminate you.

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  125. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    you do know that Jesus died on the cross to for give us for our sins right? If I have Gods son to forgive me why would I want to have the apostil for give me when he is just a man? Jesus is alive today he did not die, he rose again. You tell me that I am not listening to one passage about the apostil in the bible when there is a hundred passages that say only Jesus can save us. Why are you ignoring the fact that only Jesus can save us? I understand Your church, LLDM I understand that it is all based on the apostil, of course they are going to preach on that verse. name one apostil that had his birthday celebrated? I would rather celebrate the birth of Christ once a year not knowing the true date then to celebrate any apostles birth day. I am sure you were raised to believe in your religion we are all raised to believe in some type or religion and that is why it is very important for you to do your research and read the bible your self word by word and then you will learn the truth. Just curious am I talking to a guy or a girl?

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  126. paul in the bible states this
    I am thankful that not one of you did I baptize except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone might say that in my name you were baptized. Now I did baptize also the Stephanas household. Besides, I know not if any other I did baptize. [1 Corinthians 1:14-16]
    Why does LLDM have to believe in the apostil to be baptized? Doesn't the bible say that we are to be baptized in the name of Jesus?

    My answer to that question is that you have to believe that the apostil was sent from God to be a member of the church. Put that is not biblical.

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  127. I'm a guy.. Eddie. And I was not born in the church but got baptized at 15 years of age. yes Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins. Even the devil knows that. He rose and is sitting at the right hand of God Almighty. We are taking these passages becausewe're covering why we say an apostle has authority to forgive sins.. that is the topic as of now. We can talk about another topic (baptism, holy spirit, etc.) but right now that's the topic that's why were discussing those texts.Name me a church in the old testament that didn't believe in the apostles.Anyone can celebrate their birthday, even the president of this nation. What's wrong with that? That's just being closed minded. Trust me. i read the bible and understand it. But because of God's grace not because of me.
    Eddie (a guy ) LA

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  128. That's just your own opinion but Christ is the chief cornerstone.. read Ephesians 4:11-12. There's an order in his church. Why did Paul preach? All the letters and teachings after the gospel are of the apostles (not just members). We have to believe in the Lord Jesuschrist to be baptized. Now to believe in the teachings then we believe in his apostle because he is the one that teaches us.

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  129. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 16, 2011 at 1:06 PM

    Eddie
    I am not sure if you are seeing the whole point of only giving all our worship and all of our love to Jesus Christ alone and no one else. God is a Jesus God and when LLDM has songs for the apostil and giving most of their attention to the apostil then that apostil becomes an dial someone or something being worshiped more then God. The way you make everything sound is that it is all good and gravy. You know that this apostil is put before God because he is taking all credit by saying
    he is an angel sent from God.
    there are songs in his name,
    he is alive today not jesus
    his birthday is a huge day for LLDM,
    he is the only one that can translate the bible,
    he asked for money from people for his ranch
    his name is added to be baptized

    there is so much more but do you see how he has every one focusing on him more then god and Jesus.

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  130. All worship and praise is for god and JesusChrist only. No one else. yes there are songs that honor the apostle of the Lord. Just like there are songs for fathers, mothers, children, etc. So if someone sings to you are they worshipping you? He is an angel of God. Do you know what an angel is? ( a messenger, a servant, a helper, an administrator, in short.. an employee of God). Yes we rejoice in his birthday because we love him. He has shown us the true gospel. He has never asked us for money but the ministers invite the church so we (voluntarily) can offer him something out of love. In our church the deacons say "I baptize you in the name of our Lord jesuschrist and our Lord will baptize you in his holy spirit and fire" never me heard Samuel Joaquin. that's what happens when people talk without knowing. I invite you to our prayers so you can see what really goes on in our church.

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  131. Jose

    To sum I think your interpreting the gospol in Another way if I wont to discuss about the aposto u have to know who jeses really is . Could u please provode textual evedince to support ur belife sum on who jesus christ is

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  132. Anonymous or jose not sure
    what is it exactly that you want to know? All I have been doing is posting text from the bible what is your question exactly.

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  133. Jose

    To,,sum
    Wat imsaying is that jesus is not god , ill like to see textual evedince of y u u think god is jesus,..

    Just a question. Tell me this who was jesus praying to when he would pray .....

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  134. LLDM is treating the apostil as a God you are ignoring the fact that no man should be worshiped. Do you not understand what the son of God means? If God had a son would he not be a God as well or would God have a normal human man as a son? think about it

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  135. Jose

    To sum lldm does not ador samuel.
    But since you did not answer my question ill answer your. Lets take a look at the book of hebrews
    Hebrews 1:8-9 KJV

    But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above Othy fellows.

    Well I have read from ur priviouscomments you use"but unto the son he saith, thy throne oh god" I can see how you would believe that jesus is god but if u keep reading it says "therefor god thy god, have annointed thy with oil".

    The question to rise is this, HOw could a god have a god. And how could jesus being god accorcing to you be seating on the side of the trone spiritually talking. But I would like u to answer my question.

    But here goes some biblical texts for you.
    James 2:19 KJV

    Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Thats amazing,how the devil belive that god is one. Dont get me rong sum. There are 3 that give testomony
    1 John 5:7 KJV

    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    I would like to ask u who is the holy ghost.

    If there are typos im sorry im doing tis from my phone.

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  136. Whoever started this blog, i hope you're reading our responses and see how wrong you are and may God have mercy on you.

    -Eddie

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  137. Jose

    Toeddie.T He created of this blog is Christopher. Terrant but ibdont think he responses to to his blog. No more..

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  138. Eddie and Jose you might have to talk to Colin or Chris They would be able to help you out more then I can, you keep going back into circles and there is a lot of hardheadedness going one. Read the bible start with the new testament and then come back and tell me that you have read it and that you know what you are talking about. Going verse to verse is not helpful you need to read everything to help you understand the true meaning. What I clearly understand is that LLDM is based on what the apostil made up not what God wants us to know.

    Luke 6:39 and Jesus said And he spoke a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

    John 4:21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

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  139. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    I would also like to add why the apostil of yours or any ones or any of the apostils are not the way to heaven why becasue JESUS CHRIST SAID


    In John 10:9, Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters through me, he shall be saved.” Of course, not all men enter through Him. This does not mean they enter in through another way; rather, it means that they do not enter in at all. Jesus rejected the popular notion that God is a castle on a hill with many doors. Jesus said, “I am the door”, the only door. He opens and no one can close. And He closes and no one can open (Rev. 3:7). Jesus changed the metaphor slightly and said, “I have the keys” (Rev. 1:18). If you want into Heaven with God, you have to go to Jesus.

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  140. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Jose and Eddie I see that Christopher had already posted verses on the top of the page in green.If you are blind to the truth of the bible the true God then there is not much I can do to open your eyes to the truth only you can save your self only God would be able to reveal the truth to you, God bless the both of you.

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  141. Sum.. you first replye up there... all I see is verses. Anyone can post verses... why don't you explain them if you know mroe than us.
    -Eddie

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  142. Your second reply sum, How will you find that door.. through the bible? Anyone has the bible. Who has been given the keys to heaven? Jesus is the door, but who has the keys? Read the bible... see who's being hardheaded.
    _eddie

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  143. Sum, ask for God's help. If you trust in what is written in the bible then that means you trust in what Moses said, Joseph said, King David said, what the prophets said, what Jesus said, what the apostles said.... all men. Why did people trust them... people didn't talk directly to God. there has always been someone to releate the message of salvation. Read Romans 10:11-18... If you want to be saved.. ask for Gods help to guide you to the truth. And the only truth is in the Church of the Living God, Pillar and Ground of the Truth, The Light of the World. God Bless
    -Eddie

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  144. Jose

    To sum
    The apostol is not ours. He was chosen by god. I still wont to talk about who jesus really is. You didnt answer my question sum: you just went off to say to talk to colin and chris. But actually if you brows chris other blogs like a short discussin of aron . He remains silent by jake. Colin in the other hand i would love to write to him in this page. So if you could leave him a message that i would like to write to him.


    But please sum dont be afraid to accept the truth and hust stop talking. I hope you get back to my questions

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  145. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM

    You keep ignoring all the bible verses that prove that all we need is Jesus because he is the one that saved us alone. I know where you are trying to get at with your question I am not an amateur with people from LLDM. I am very well aware of there bible verses that is studied by LLDM. I know that we will not get any where with it. I wold love to tell you where Colin is but I do not know. The sight that he use to be on is not available to log on to.Knowing Colin he will come by to this sight to answer your questions. God bless you and please visit again.

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  146. Jose
    To sum

    I just wont to discuss about jesus sum. Why dont you wont to talk. The lord didnt say to give up. He said to preach the gospol. Ok look. We well talk about who jesus is if hes god or not ok. So lets talk sum plz.

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  147. Really I am convinced that Jesus saved me he is my savior I only sing songs of worship to him, pray in his name, and I am grateful and I will not put any one or love any one more then my savior Jesus Christ.Why? because he said Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood.

    The problem is not about Jesus, the problem is about worshiping some one else other then Jesus. LLDM has the apostle to sing songs to to put pictures on their walls and to ask him for forgiveness once a year. If we are to only sing songs to Jesus, and only Jesus can for give sins then who is your apostil calming to be?
    Jesus? his angel? even angels can not take away sins, nor can apostles nor can any human being.

    1:18-19, “For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.” The Blood of Jesus Christ is absolutely the most precious thing God has offered us.

    Every human born has sinned against God and fallen short of His standard (Romans 3:23). We do not and cannot earn salvation by keeping the Old Testament Law or by simply being a good person. We will fail every time; it is in our nature to sin. It is only through God sacrificing His Son Jesus in our place, that we can acquire complete forgiveness. We can all attain this by accepting Jesus as our Savior, and accepting that He shed His blood to atone for the sins of all who repent. The act of communion does not save us, but we honor this wonderful gift from God with communion as a way to remember His sacrifice.
    ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN SAVE US.

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  148. Would you like to talk some more?
    Why don't you tell me more about your religion?
    You believe some Mexican man that claims God spoke to him and made him his apostle sixty years ago and all the letters that he has been writing tell me about those is he going to make a new bible out of it? wouldn't God choose some one from Davids dependents? I know that he already has a book on songs just for him and he already has a book on how he started the church so why wouldn't he just start a new book for LLDM to believe in and to read? Is that what you put your life into a man that was born from sinning parents? He came in sixty years ago and that is who you decide to fallow and believe? I'm sorry but when you fallow some one especially a Mexican that wakes up one day and started his own church, shouldn't you do your research on him and his family back round, not what they say but the truth about his history and who he really is.

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  149. Jose

    To sum
    You are rite about jesus dying for us and giving his precious blood for us sinneres. But do you believe that a man can be perfect???? Sum you are rite god did give his son for us well for me a sinner. But christ is not god sum lets take a look at the bible

    Matthew 16:15-16 KJV

    He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    Sum as you can see the apostol knew who christ was the son of god. He did not call hom god.

    Lets take a look at another verse that is very clear.
    John 14:28 KJV

    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    Sum if you analyze the verse,(but its better if you read the book of john) it says "FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I", if you realy want to understand what jesus said of his father lets go to the book or MAtthew.

    Matthew 3:11-15 KJV

    I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    In verse 11;&12 he says mighter than i , he means of authorithy,.
    If we jump back to john 14;28 jesus is saying that his father being god is of greater authorithy, greater than him.

    Lets take a look at the boom of luke8;28
    Luke 8:28 KJV

    When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
    When jesus cames aroud the evil spirit said dont tourment me the son of god most high.
    So whats your response sum. God bless i well look forward for your response

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  150. Well i would love to talk to you about lldm.
    But i would like to know what church you attend. Just the name of it ond the doctrine. Oh also, how was it started.

    Thanx to god sum, that there is a man of god who thought us to remember what god reveled to the apostol peter. That god does not make anyone ddifferent like mexican or mexican. Well il wait on your response

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  151. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    I am not trying to be raciest but it is true God is not going to make a man an apostol and then all the sudden he believes that he is Gods angel, whom would come out all the sudden with having to believe only his word, the apostol has absolutely no historical proof and his words do not match the true teachings of the bible. Every one that was chosen before Christ and during the times of Christ were form the middle east they were from the decedent of David. I am from the church of God. Jesus says
    Yet the time is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Indeed, the Father is looking for people like that to worship him.

    Acts 17:24-25 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,1 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

    Jose go ahead and search for these verses in the bible you will see that they are all there. I worship the lord in spirit. God does not need a building or any man or anything to be with me and to hear my voice. If you only understand how powerful God is and that his spirit is with us then you would understand that he can find us any where.
    I was born as a room orthodox and then one day I was sad and hurt and confused about life. I took the bible and I opened it and that is when the Lord opened my eyes to who he really is. There was so much joy and so much happiness when I believed the lord then baptized me with his holy spirit.

    John the baptists says
    Matt. 3:11, "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

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  152. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 20, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    I am Christen. TO be a christen we fallow the exact words of the bible and we only believe in Jesus because that is what the bible says, That only by the blood of Jesus we are saved. If we were to believe in any one else we would be worshiping some one else other then God. Jesus was around what 2011 years ago that is what I believe in, not some one claiming to be an angel 60 years ago. Your apostol does not even know how to speak the original language of Jesus. Any how to be a true Christan is to be only for Christ. You are apostolic not Christan. How do I know that? because you all fallow exactly what the apostol tells you not Christ.
    you celebrate the birth of the apostol not Jesus.
    You have songs for the apostol it should only be Jesus.
    You have pictures of this apostol on your walls on your cellphones in your life, not Jesus.
    What is the apostols excuse "oh we do not know the true birthday of Jesus so we will skip it" "oh we do not know how he looked so just put a picture of me" the apostol.
    WIth out reading the bible for your self and doing your research of course you will believe in any one that claimed to be an angel of God.

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  153. Jose
    To sum
    Well sum those passages are true, god dosent stay in temples made by men.
    As god spoke to the brothet aron, and said "here will be a great nation that will be to great example to other nations". God spoke o the bother aron sum this prohesy is bening completed. Oh thats intresting sum you recieved the holy spirit, how. When i say how i mean sitting down, standing up. Where did you recieve the holy spirit. Oh whats the name of your church if its ither jehovas witness, morman, baptized

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  154. Jose
    To sum

    Well sum do you have parents or brothers, when its there birthday dont you celebrate it, not as a form of adoration but as a form of gratetude, that god gave them another year of life.Now just imagin that your parents had more than 5000 sons or doughters. How would the birthday party be like, big, nice etc.
    We give thanks to god for another year of the apostols birthday.

    Well sum when was jesus born. Well i just wont to know the day,time and year. Or is it that his birthday is on the 25 of dec. Why dont we carry a picture of jesus christ, do you know how jesus looks like, or should we be like the catholics and carry a cross with a jesus that does not exist. Or do you wont us to be like chris and have the picture of ben athalic who played the role of jesuschrist in the movie passion of the christ. Well they have jesus crusifed in the cross like if that was the last place he was in. Well its in the 3rd day he rose and went with his father. What we do celebrate the BIGGEST SPIRIUAL PARTY OF THE HOLE WORLD IS THE HOLY SUPPER. DO U CELEBRATE THE HOLY SUPER SOMETHING JESUS TOLD US TO DO IN MEMORY OF HIS DEATH.!!!!!!!!! Well i hope u get back to me

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  155. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 20, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    exactly my point I already told you LLDMs excuses why are you repeating them like I never heard them before.Excuses Excuses for the apostol as usual.As long as you keep looking towards your apostol you will never find the true God. Again Jose I do not know what it is exactly you are trying to get at but you have absolutely no proof that the apostol is saying the truth.I have the bible and that is all the proof I need.
    My last words to you Jose

    Jesus said
    Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,

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  156. SUM Only for the true GodSeptember 20, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    are you not reading what I am posting? I am christen a real christen I am not apostolic like you are.I am only for Christ.

    "You say" As god spoke to the brother Aron, and said "here will be a great nation that will be to great example to other nations". God spoke o the bother Aron sum this prophesy is bening completed. WOW I KNEW YOU HAD YOUR OWN MADE UP BIBLE. so what is your bible called love you aron? Aron is the only way? How do you know that he spoke to him? daaaa you are truly blind. I told you before to talk to some one else about your beliefs because you are blinded to the lies that Aron implanted in you. Sorry I have to be mean but I have a reason why I sad that I am done. I do not want to push it thank you and may God bless your life.

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  157. Jose
    To sum

    Well i have read what you said but christion is not a church its who you are individual.

    MY QUESTION WAS THIS WHAT CHURCH DO YOU BELONG TO---- WHAT CHURCH--- THE NAME----

    I would have to say that lldms only referance is the bible thats our guide our way of determing the truth. With all do respect your the blind one sum!!!!! First of you havent answered none of my questions. When i started the conversation of who jesus christ is you changed the subject.

    Than you turn to colin and chris.Oh my sum, what to say. But if you do want to discuss about who jesus really is answer my questions. Give me biblical texts instead of personl attacks about samuel. Or is it that you yourself feel confused about who jesus is.

    Okay. Answer me this question. How could a god have a god .you say that jesus is god. Who has greater authorithy the father or the son. You said that jesus is god so who does sum.

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  158. I guess I do not belong to a church my Church is in heaven just like Jesus said. the closest churches that are the same to what I believe is Christianity. We believe in the father son and holy spirit as one. We believe in the bible and that Jesus died to save us for our sins. And the only way we can be saved is by the blood of Jesus Christ. But really Jose I know that Colin would have loved to take the time to speak to you, he is more patient and more soft hearted then I am. I have a lot of home work to to for my university college that I am attending and we just keep going around in circles. Again God bless you

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  159. Jose
    To sum
    Well do u know whats going on with the site la luz del mundo in persuit of serendapity or the other one

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  160. Jesus founded a church. So Sum is not of the church of Jesus.
    -Eddie

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  161. Jesus founded a church and samual the LLDM apostol is defiantly not of the church of Jesus.

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  162. Iys funny how all these peole who talk about lldm stop writing.

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  163. I too go the church to lldm.lately i been having alot of doubt to it i love the teaching but i not very sure of the apostle. it doesnt make sence how he can be are living savior. my wife is born and raise in the church so she doesnt understand me. when i say something about the church her family get offended. any suggestion

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  164. Hi Marco
    My husband was from LLDM and his family still get offended when I tell them that the apostil of theirs is not biblical and only Jesus is our savior. My husband read the bible with me and he found the truth. Everything that LLDM is preaching about the apostil of theirs is only to bring glory to him and make his churches bigger. Almost all of the members of LLDM have been raised to believe in the apostil and it is almost imposable for them to see the truth with out the help from God. encouraging them to read the bible and with prayer someday they will see the truth. God bless you Marco and I will pray for you

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  165. MARCO
    here is why their is no other savior but Jesus Christ.
    1 Timothy 2:5-6
    "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time."

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

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  166. sum i have to admit something to you my wife was born in the church but the only way i could marry her was to to join the church. am only 21 yound and inlove so i pretented to believe in apostle samuel so the chruch could bautise me and marry us, but i want to believe but it stupid i ask who made him apostle they say god. but how do we know and they say to have to believe, they claim that he is our savior that with out him we cant get save.. i feel like am living a lie just to please my wife. but i know that this doesnt not make sence..

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  167. Marco
    This sight was made by Christopher and he also married and had children with a girl from LLDM. Christopher is a good solder and he loves his wife, but she does not listen to him that LLDM apostil is false. It is sad because Christopher has so much knowledge about the bible and still she will not budge. If the bible is saying that only Jesus is our savior but they are preaching that The apostil is then you have to realize that it is more serious then what you thought, he is claiming to be in the same Laval as Jesus our only savior. It is up to you in what way you may want to tell her. You can ether tell her the truth or find a way to slowly show her the truth. You can tell her that you would like to read the bible with her together, starting with the new testament. Every day a few paragraphs may help her to see the truth. I had always strongly recommend people to watch a movie called Jesus of Nazareth. That movie will show how powerful Jesus really is and it would help to focus on Jesus not the apostils and why Jesus is our savior. But be prepared that after you tell her the truth she will not like it at all and she will not listen. She will try to get her family and her church to talk to you because their belief is so strong that only God can show them the truth. You might even have to take some time for your self to read it so that you would be prepared with God. You can always keep it a secret and live unhappy but remember that she will expect you to let her raise your children in their church. If it has been really bothering you then it is just best to tell her, say, you know what I have been trying so hard to believe in The apostil but God is not letting me, you tried and you Just can not feel anything for him.
    God bless you Marco and I will pray for you.

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  168. Marco
    One more thing
    If you are not married to her yet run for your life, lol
    seriously it is better to tell her now so that you will avoid so many fights and possible divorce later in the future, with children involved. Love is strong but not strong enough to separate these people from their apostil. It is not there fault but LLDM has been well trained to brain wash all of them especially the ones born into the truth, they will die with their faith in the apostil.

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  169. Hello

    Anybody downhere knows anything about the oscar nuno web site? what happened to him or his web because his web site is offline now.

    Regards

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  170. SUM Only for the true GodOctober 21, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    Marco
    I would also like to add for you to remember that LLDM attends church almost three times a day and they spend their whole Sunday just cooking and working for them. They go to Guadalajara and pay thousands just to go and see the apostil for his birthday once a year. They believe that they have to go see the apostil so that the apostil can forgive them for their sins. It is good for you to know what to expect to come.

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  171. sum i been to guadalarjara plenty and i been there to revieve the holy but everyone is throwin them selve and cry but i feel nothing. somethime it feels like i have to fake cry to fit in. sum ur so right cause i wouldnt want my kids to go thru all this. there is church at 5 9 and 630 pm. my wife is contanly selling tamales for the church.this is si hard sue my wife wil never understand,,

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  172. Marco that must be hard for you, Pray and try to read the bible with her but from what I know, they are not aloud to read the bible on their own.And that is sad because they will never learn the truth with out reading the bible on their own.

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  173. jose

    to MARCO.
    well marco, were to start, i think you turened to the rong person to ask advice. the thing about sum is that she trys to defend what she believes, but it dosent work out.


    in responce to what u said about u recieving the holy spirit.
    what have u done to prepair your self?
    what is that desturbs you.

    First of all sum thinks jesus is god and god is jesus. Who do u think jesus is?
    I have tried to talk to sum over who jesus is but she refuses to.Read the bible bro to open ur eyes.



    MARCO ILL SHOW U WAT I MEAN ABOUT SUM AVOIDING TO TALK ABOUT WHO JESUS IS. THEN YOU WELL SEE THAT SUM IS THE RON PERSON TO ASK ADVISE.

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  174. SUM Only for the true GodOctober 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    Anonymous
    Jesus is not the problem your Apostil is. You focus more on the apostil and sing songs to him and you are worshiping him and celebrating his birthday. Your apostil is a rapper, selfish and you are all slaves to him. So before you try to say anything about the son of God think about who you believe in before talking mess.

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  175. from; jose

    that was a nice angry tone of voice. thats why i love u sum.

    First of all i havent brought up the apostol samuel. i think you talk more about him then i do sum.

    marco u see i told u, when i try to talk about jesus the christ sum waves her way acroos by talking about samuel, not that i dont have a problem talking about him.

    sum please if wont to have a voice of reason lets talk about who jesus is plz.

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  176. But what do u think about the apostle

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  177. from jose
    to marco.


    your question is what do i think about the apostol?
    well this is my answer, to tell you the truth i know and believe that he is the apostol of jesus christ.
    YOU MIGHT ask, how do you know that he is the apostol of christ?
    my answer is that he preaches the same doctrine as the premitive church. every thing is the same marco. Lets put our selfs to think for a while marco, and iv been doing my homework in other types of churches.
    for example the mormoms, they believe that joseph smith was elected from jesus, but john the baptizet, peter, and i think its paul gave joseph smith the authority to preach. THIS rite here marco is not how any of the apostols were elected. yes they were elected by christ and they were given the authorithy by christ like the apostol paul. in the book of acts.

    pray in ur knees
    Romans 14:11-12 CEB

    Because it is written,
    As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me,
    and every tongue will give praise to God.
    So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

    then there is the baptizet church and other churches that prag standing and play music. but in the bible it says differnt.


    compare marco, i.too had doughts but then i realized about the apostol of god.
    please write back marco. ill provide textual evidence if you wont me too

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  178. All will judged at the end ... for some it will be too late..John 14:6 no one intercedes for us but Jesus Christ... did Samuel Joaquin die for me on the cross or was it Jesus Christ? The day Samuel Joaquin dies on a cross is buried and comes back to life that day ill think about believing.

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  179. dear anonymous from december 6 2011
    from jose

    Romans 10:1, 9-15 CEB

    Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire is for Israel’s salvation. That’s my prayer to God for them. Because if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and in your heart you have faith that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Trusting with the heart leads to righteousness, and confessing with the mouth leads to salvation. The scripture says, All who have faith in him won’t be put to shame . There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, because the same Lord is Lord of all, who gives richly to all who call on him. All who call on the Lord’s name will be saved.
    So how can they call on someone they don’t have faith in? And how can they have faith in someone they haven’t heard of? And how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of those who announce the good news.

    yes u could confess that jesus is ur savior but who teaches you his ways how were u baptized or what is the.doctrine of ur church.

    FACT IS THAT LLDM CHURCH HAS THE GODLYEST DOCTRINE BECAUSE THE APOSTOL IS ELECTED BY JESUS CHRIST.

    PLEASE DO WRITE BACK

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  180. i am a member of la luz del mundo and have personally had family members at the house of the servant of god samuel joaquin and can say that all the lies spread by people who do not believe in him are just that, lies! however, it does not bother me because i know samuel is an apostle and the proof is in his actions and teachings. a bad tree cannot give good fruit. im well versed in the bible and for the people who say that lldm believes in a man well i have a question for u. what about jesus christ? he was a man! he even called himself "the son of man". if u go by the logic of not believing in a man of flesh and blood then u cannot believe in christ because he was a man!

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  181. anonymous from december 6.
    no samuel did not die on the cross because jesus christ was the one who god annointed to bear the sin of the world, however jesus stated in john 9 chp 4-5:
    "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

    As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world"

    as u read verse 5 notice the words of our lord when he says AS LONG AS IM IN THE WORLD, ok so he has not been in the world for about 2000 yrs now so is the light gone? no! he states in john 17 verse 18:

    "As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world"

    how was jesus christ sent to the world by god? as a savior, a messenger of god! and christ states that the same way the father sent him so did he send the apostles! as saviors and light of the world!!! the very meaning of the word apostle translated from greek is A DELEGATE!!! God works in these days throught the apostle SAMUEL JOAQUIN FLORES!!!!!

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  182. -gabriel-

    im from lldm and i have reread the comments and i seen alot of them put alot of emphasis on the bible. yes the bible is a very important book but its letters were written to the churches of those times!! yes they are a nice example of the way we should live our lives but the bible is just a collection of epistles written for us as a guide, an example!! the apostle paul is dead! so is peter and luke and mark!! they fought the good fight and are awaiting the final day!! yes the epistles are in the bible but i can take a bible right now and burn it in front of a crowd easily. am i burning the word of god?? no!! the word of god came through the word of the apostles! at that time they had the apostles we read about in the bible and in these days we had aaron joaquin and now we have samuel joaquin flores!! do not be students of the letter because the letter kills!! READ THIS NEXT PART OF THE SCRIPTURE CAREFULLY
    i will put in bold the important key words but read it with patience and with understanding. im using the king james version

    2 corinthians ch3 verse 1-7:
    "Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?

    2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

    3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ MINISTERED BY US, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

    4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

    5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

    6WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, but of the spirit: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, but the spirit giveth life."

    ANALYZE what the apostle is saying here!! verse 3 states
    "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ MINISTERED BY US!!" ministered by who??? THE APOSTLES!!!!
    Verse 6 states in the begining of the verse:
    "WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT"

    The apostles were ministers of the new testament but not of we see written with ink on paper that people can burn on a whim, but in our hearts! today the minister of the spirit is Samuel joaquin flores!!! the words that come out of his mouth is the word of god now!!

    plz open ur eyes! God has always had sevants on earth to lead his people and today we have samuel joaquin!!! if any of u would like to debate on anything i can show u more biblical evidence of christ's mission and the apostles!!! dont hesitate to post a question

    -gabriel-

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  183. dear gabriel, im 17 years old i have read the debates, my heart has been pulled in different directions because of these diputes i dont know what to believe in ive had a cold life and want to be saved. have you ever doubted your religion? im lost in both my heart and mind and need guidance

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  184. anonymous from january 8, 2012

    yes. i know what u feel! doubt is normal... its part of being human! the lord christ felt doubt too!! remember his words on the cross? eli eli lamasabach thani...my god my god why have you forsaken me! why would he say that?? he felt alone and some doubt..its part of life and even christ felt it! there are times i have doubted about my faith but something pulls me back! its like all the other denominations have holes and pieces missing. i dont have all the answers but i try to find what answers i can for me and for ppl around me. im alittle older than u. im 21.

    -gabriel-

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    1. thank you gabriel that helped. the bible is seen differently by alot of us humans. i guess it boils down to what you feel in your heart at the end.

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    2. will god or samuel forgive my sins?

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  185. if i take a while to post i apologize but i try to look at these comments atleast once every 3 days. so il try to reply as quickly as i can

    -gabriel-

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  186. -gabriel-

    anonymous from january 8, and others that are not of LLDM or are curious of our beliefs! let me discuss some topics!

    i see people who are saying that the mormons and other religions have chosen men of God however look at the way they say they were called upon. you will notice...joseph smith sais an Angel called him...muhhammad sais an Angel called him...jose luis de jesus miranda (who sais he is jesus incarnate) claims two ANGELS called him. notice anything? when does an angel do anything on their own??? do angels even have authority to select men of god????? no!! now if you look at Samuel joaquin flores he sais the calling was directly from Christ!! do u see the difference!! for biblical evidence about muhammad or joseph smith being prophets the scripture sais in luke 16 verse 16

    "The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

    read the begining carefully! the law AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN!! in other words john the baptist is the LAST prophet!! jesus commissioned APOSTLES not prophets! if you read what it says after that it states:

    "since that time the kingdom of god is preached"

    meaning that SALVATION OR HEAVEN was not preached before john!! JESUS brought the NEWS of salvation!! thats why in LLDM we use the old testament as an example but nobody can be saved followig the law of moses! when it comes to our spiritual salvation we look at the one who announced it who is christ and his messengers the apostles in the new testament!!!

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  187. -gabriel-

    now we gentiles did not have part with god! we were unclean in gods eyes. christ did not come for us but to ISRAEL! the 12 apostles were for the 12 tribes of ISRAEL! christ stated in
    mathew 15 verses 22-26

    22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

    23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

    24But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

    25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me."

    christ himself stated his mission for Israel only!

    however... after his death for us on the cross he called on the apostle Paul who is the apostle for gentiles!

    romans 15 verses 15-17
    "Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is GIVEN TO ME of God,

    16That I should be the MINISTER of Jesus Christ TO THE GENTILES, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost"

    furthermore christ gave peter a vision to confirm that the gentiles were clean and holy through christs death in

    acts 10 verses 10-16 (read verses 14 and 15 carefully)

    10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

    11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

    12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

    13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

    14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

    15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED, that call not thou common.

    and in the same chapter acts 10 verses 24-29 (verse 28 is key)

    24And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

    25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

    26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

    27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

    28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

    in these days Samuel joaquin continues this mission toward the gentiles until the fullness of gentiles is saved! then israel will be saved! god has blinded israel for our sakes

    romans 11 verses 25 and 26 (read carefully)

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


    this is alot of deep info so if ther are any questions plz ask

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  188. -gabriel-

    anonymous january 11 glad u replied! :-)

    GOOD QUESTION!!!

    God will forgive you because of the apostle!...let me explain...
    apostles have recieved the ministry of reconciliation. (reconciliation means reestablishing relations) read carefully the next part of the scripture this is key and il put the important parts in bold...

    2 corinthians 5: verse 17-21

    17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has RECONCILED us to Himself THROUGH Jesus Christ, and has given US (THE APOSTLES)the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to US (apostles) the WORD OF RECONCILIATION.
    20 Now then, WE ARE AMBASSADORS for Christ, as though God were pleading THROUGH US: we implore you ON CHRIST'S behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

    not anyone recieves the ministry of reconciliation!! the apostles have that ministry! it is special!! ive lived my life in LLDM and have seen a true apostle of God! i do not envy ppl who lived in pauls time or peters...im living in samuel joaquin's time! i just thank god a miserable vile person like me recieved this is gift when there are so many ppl better than me.

    -gabriel-

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  189. anonymous from jan 11 what can i call u?? u can ask me what u want and iff u need guidance i can help or atleast il try lol. i just want to tell ppl the truth about LLDM and Samuel joaquin!

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  190. top msg is -gabriel-

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    1. gabriel my name is -danae-
      will samuel go to heaven?

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    2. gabriel my name is -danae- im sorry ive been busy with school
      i really doubt my sins can be forgiven, if you new what ive done your opioion of me sure wont be a good one. thank you for the help i truly apreaciate it.

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  191. ive been busy with school im sorry

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  192. i doubt my sins can be forgiven, my hearts to filled with ice and hate. a pastor from the lldm does notexcept me into the church. this means im doomed am i right gabriel?

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  193. -gavriel-

    to danae

    no! u r not doomed i can assure u of that my friend! and my opinion of u is not bad, cuz im not perfect! i have my weaknesses too! im human!now about you saying that ur doomed i can say for sure u r not otherwise why does god keep u alive?? ur alive and i do not need to know what ur sins are they can be forgiven!!! 100% positive! are u an ex member? why doesnt the pastor except u? that pastor is not supposed to do that. well...unless u did something bad like threaten them. and dont worry i check this blog every day around the time this msg is sent so il reply to u! i will tell u that nomatter the condition of ur heart right now u can take out all ur hate and malice and change the state of ur heart whenever u want! its just harder to take out the bad than the good! what would u like me to talk with u abt? anything ur curious about or anything u want to know?

    -gabriel-

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  194. -gabriel-

    to danae

    just fyi if u were really a bad person u would not be talking to me about god! if u me to show u biblical evidence about anything il do my best to help u ok! do not be afraid danae

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  195. -gabriel-

    to danae

    i know school can be tough so take ur time i wont go anywhere ok. im in college and its a time consuming aswell lol

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